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Old 26th Jan 2004, 09:54
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Socialflyer,

the thread is called "30-40 Virgin Blue Cabin Crew Quit each month ?".

I for one [of many if you look at the number of hits] would like to know if this is correct and if so why.

Smile has indicated that she feels the standard of pay is commensurate with the work she does.

If the number of hours flown in the year are the same as a QF shorthaul FA I suppose it would be hard to argue otherwise.

So, I guess it can be finally put to bed that [alleged] high turnover of VB CC has nothing to do with disatisfaction caused by poor pay/ working conditions.

I stand corrected.

Smile,

all the best with your career and thanks for the information.

CC Australia wide should be heartened to hear that conditions with VB are not sustandard.

However, I feel it would be a mistake to compare the wages and conditions of short/medium haul carriers in Europe with those of domestic Aussie Fa's.
A bit like comparing apples and oranges given the massive cultural, historical, political, social, financial and not to mention geographical differences.


Thread now closed ??
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bagging?

dude i wasnt bagging dont put words in my mouth.
my apologies if thats how it sounds. i was merely stating that the flight attendant was falling asleep on duty.

think what you will of it

maybe they should say


"cabin crew arm doors and wake up"
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Old 26th Jan 2004, 15:12
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Can we please have some VB crew defend the generosity of their employment conditions please.

Not uninformed opinions from wannabee CC and people on the outside, looking in.

Hello.........hello??

The silence is deafening.

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From family and friends who work with them I believe they are very well paid. They clear a great amount per week, get grooming allowance, a bonus every financial year and get a pretty good Christmas present every year. They do work hard but are compensated well.

It is nowhere near 30-40 people a month. It might be higher than alot of other jobs but they also employ alot of very young immature staff who do not realise how good they have got it there and end up quiting. When you hire alot of young staff they also do not deal well with missing parties or outings with friends and just give up to have an easier life. I think the only thing VB do wrong is hire too young a staff, with not enough life experience to realise they are onto a good thing.
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RECRUITMENT COSTS

recruitment costs a lot of money for businesses to employ people. its a wonder the HR department at Virgin havent looked into why so many staff are leaving and maybe implement something to select the 'right staff' and loyal dedicated workers. Im sure there are plenty out there, maybe the bright and bubly personality that virgin recruit dont like being stuck in planes all day. who knows?
has the virgin novelty warn off? i still think they are a great airline with a great concept and would love to fly with them one day... if i ever do get in...

keep smiling guys and lets not put virgin down, they have created lots of employment for us aussies and have changed aviation in australia.
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DJ/QF

I'm pretty new here and I hope this is the right room to post this question, but what are DJ like to work for? A friend of mine has just got Cabin Superviser based in BNE and I was just intrigued as to what she's in for. Money, trips, crew, whats it all like? I've flown with them a couple of times as a pax and never had a problem.

I'm ex cabin crew (9years in UK) and would like to return to the skies again and it'll be a while before I'm a permanent resident, so I know I have to wait until I can even be considered seriously.

Can anyone tell what QF are like to work for too? I know competition is fierce, seems like it anyway, but I would like to get my feet in the door here eventually.

Thanks in advance guys/gals.
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Andyman 82,

Virgin, with a staff level of around 3000 flew as many passenger last year as Ansett did in its final year of operation.

Ansett had 10 000 staff.

Virgin had half the market handed to them on a plate with the collapse of Ansett.

The above figures indicated a net loss of 7000 jobs.

You are right, they certainly have changed the face of aviation in Australia.

Im just not sure that for aviation employees, it's for the better?


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Time to comment....

Hey guys!

As a member of Virgin crew, I would like to have my 2 cents worth...

For the job we do as flight attendants, we are all paid very well here in Oz....both QF and DJ alike. I am earning great money with Virgin and as has been said before - generally take home more than nurses,teachers and members of the police force (I was from one of these professions previously to this).

I really enjoy the position, and the fact that DJ is such a young company where early promotion is encouraged and does happen is a bonus - clearly this is not the norm within the more established Australian airlines.

Yes, we work hard at times - but quite honestly, much of the time the job isn't too demanding.....

Interesting to see that an apparently bitter old flighty is still having his/her two cents worth (and harsh at that) in a wide variety of posts......

Bvb

P.S. As has been also stated many times previously, DJ have been hiring a wide mix of crew for quite some time now - lots of guys, older ppl and not just model-like females.....
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hey bvb

finally..i was hopin u would reply.....

see u wednesday for the tennis!
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Exmax,

given the recent QF transfers from shorthaul to longhaul it would seem that QF domestic has surplus numbers.

Your best bet would be to visit the Jetstar or Australian Airlines websites.

I've no details about VB but it seems they are recruiting all the time.

Good luck with your search.

Maybe a seperate thread asking the same question may deliver more concrete info from others," more in the know".

Cheers

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now now now

Anyman, u did seem so upbeat for awhile then u got rejected and started to bash VB. Should have just kept up the momentum said oh well try next time.

Whoever asked me about rejection and then still liking the airline.

VB is the only airline that I have applied for as it is the only airline in Australia. QF is losing market share daily I think Jetstar will fold within perhaps 2 years,a nd Virgin is onto a winner by mid year. If I got a letter tomorrow stating that i did not get through, I would not be disappointed at all, i thought the whole process was terrific, so why would I bag them.

Their are other carriers that hire out of Australia, but most of them become problematic and my friends are exhausted working for Emirates and i have mentioned the other issues with them. Don't want to move abroad.

As for Vb being tired, never seen that always been great staff.

Listen i'm not saying VB is the best thing on the planet. But in Australia their are 2 carriers, one going forwards,a nd one going backwards, which one do u think everyone is likely to take.
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wanttobecc you are a perfect example of who virgin blue hire. Someone who wants to work for virgin because of their novelty and not someone who is dedicated committed and wants a long lasting career as a flight attendant.

Got news for you buddy, once you get sick of the long hours, the hard work, the odd hours, singing to your passengers wont be as much fun as you thought it was. dont quit ur day job.

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WannabeeCC,

This ones for you.


posted 27th January 2004 00:02
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Qantas Named Airline of the Year by Air Transport World Magazine
January 26, 2004 03:44 PM US Eastern Timezone

Qantas Named Airline of the Year by Air Transport World Magazine

WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 26, 2004--Penton Media (OTCBB:PTON)


Air Transport World Magazine, the leading monthly magazine covering the global airline industry, selected Australian carrier Qantas as its Airline of the Year for 2004. The editors praised "the carrier's relentless focus on excellence in the air combined with leanness and flexibility on the ground."

ATW Editorial Director J.A. Donoghue added: "Any airline that can increase profits during the Asian Currency Crisis and remain profitable after 9/11 and last year's SARS outbreak is certainly made of the right stuff."




Cheers

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Old 27th Jan 2004, 11:34
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G'day,

A DJ crew member previously in this topic has mentioned they are sick of having to defend their conditions of employment and airline on this forum - HELLO ! That's what we at QF are doing daily - just read the dribble above about Jetstar collapsing after 2years and QF going down etc.
Just remember people that Qantas is an international carrier with 32,000 staff compared to 3,000 at DJ - if you increase the DJ staff levels to 32,000 I am sure you would find an equal number of horror stories about service,on time depatures etc coming out of the woodwork.
Our good friend "wantobecc" the bumble bee on drugs should be careful about preaching his philosophy on Qantas/Jetstar to his virgin recruiters and colleagues should they dare hire him, many DJ staff are married/boyfriends/girlfriends/children to QF staff and vice versa - you will get laughed at and possibly "slapped" for wishing ill fate on Qantas.
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nasty forum people can't take reality

andyman.....u r not CC material so grow up and continue to wash dishes at the local restaurant. VB recruiters obviously saw right through you well done VB recruiters

Left2 primary..........congrats 4 the awards, i don't doubt the airlines reputation in the past.... I'm just saying it has had it's "day".

skywalker..I never wished 'ill fate' for Qantas make your own words up don't say i quoted that, I predicted Jetstar would collapse within 2 years, which it will, and yes Qantas has had it's day, Geoff Dixon has migraines virtually every day, actually i don't know how the airline has survved soooo many years, with it's CC crew "male gays' cracking on to passengers.... I have been tavelling for years and years and to be cracked on by male CC in First Class ( which I travel ) is a "no no".

VB is great but small carrier and no ther choice, soon jetstar I mean "Jetflop", I don't gamble but I'd love money on the collapse of wishful star I mean Jetstar.

I have just been offered a sensational position, so I won't be going to the VB interview, then agian Andy man neither are you, only difference is, I'm deciding not to go, you can't go because you have not been invited, take care washing the dishes now.
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uffa

what job did u get w2bcc?

chill with the nasty attitude as well, its just a forum....

are u possibly workin for attitude airways????

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Nick!!

Hey Nick,

Hows things mate, obviously busy with your work... Been trying to get you on msn but keep on missing you... Gotta update you on the Virgin thing.....

Ill email you....

Cheers

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Old 27th Jan 2004, 15:22
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You are a nasty, nasty piece of work wanttobecc. I'm sad you found your way onto this forum.

Reality?!?...let's talk reality shall we (because god knows YOU haven't hit it yet)...

1) Qantas has not had it's day. One of the worlds very few profitable international carriers. Just like Virgin Blue - only a very different company because unlike Virgin, it doesn't contract out most of it's core functions.

If Qantas had it's day, would it not have gone the way of Swissair? Sabena? Pan Am? TWA? United?

2) Your 'wishes' that JetStar will collapse are not only reprehensible, but indicative of just how ill-informed you are of both the industry you discuss and the company you refer to. Since you quite clearly don't work for JetStar - or any airline for that matter - save your comments until you actually have some method of commenting properly.

The fact you want people out of a job to further Virgin's position is beyond comprehension.

3)
"Geoff Dixon has migraines virtually every day"
- so you're now his medical representative? Since when did you obtain the nous to determine his state of medical health - or for that matter, have any level of contact with him that would allow you to make this determination?

4)
"i don't know how the airline has survved soooo many years, with it's CC crew "male gays' cracking on to passengers.... I have been tavelling for years and years and to be cracked on by male CC in First Class ( which I travel ) is a "no no".
I think the closest you've ever come to First Class would be on your way through L1 and down to Row 71. "Male gays" - I must remember to use that one in future - hysterical...is that like "Medical Doctors?" or "women lesbians?"

Oh I just loved this bit:

" and to be cracked on by male CC in First Class ( which I travel )..."
If that's not the ultimate in insecurity, I don't know what is!?

5)
"VB is the only airline that I have applied for as it is the only airline in Australia. QF is losing market share daily I think Jetstar will fold within perhaps 2 years,a nd Virgin is onto a winner by mid year."
Yeah - QF is losing market share daily - which is why it's as profitable as it is (very profitable). Which is why it's expanding it's subsidiary airline to almost double it's current size (with an investment of billions in aircraft). And it's also why Qantas are expanding international and domestic routes such as Sydney - Broome direct. Give me a break wanttobecc...you're speaking out of the wrong hole.

Oh and to correct you earlier on, whilst Virgin may have 30-odd% of the market, let's not forget that part of that is it's expansion of many markets by offering low fares...so it's not a true 30% loss to Qantas, rather somewhere in the region of 10%-15%.

You are a very divisive and bitter person wanttobecc. And rather than admit your mistakes you compound them again and again.

You're free to believe what you want - but remember that in this industry specific forum there a people who have been involved in this industry for many years. People who - like myself and others here - know more than you could ever possibly comprehend about the business of airlines.

Go and enjoy your 'sensational position'. Because as far as I am concerned, both Qantas and JetStar are better off without your pathetic excuse for a personality.
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haha

YOU ARE A JOKE WANTTOBECC.

Glad to see you are so warm and friendly, you will really make your colleages feel GREAT.

I AM GLAD IM NOT WORKING WITH YOU.

AS FOR VIRGIN BLUE, it was ment to be that I didn't get through the group interview. And I am sure the 1000 others that didnt get through feel the same. Yes Im dissapointed but that doesn't make you a better person than me. If it happens one day I don't care as, the interviewers will know when I am ready and will offer me a job.

For your information I am 21 years old and I have never attended a cabin crew recruitment day. So I was really going for the experience and to build and develop my skills to gain a position with an airline. I didnt get past the group interview but I see it as a learning curb. I don't see it as a joke and how dare you make a joke of that. You are a pig. And for your information I dont wash dishes, and there is nothing wrong with working in the HOSPITALITY industry, sometimes you do things you don't like doing but its a JOB. Do you think working for an airline is going to be a clean and easy job? Have you not seen a flight attendant with coffee stains on their shirts?

Man good luck with your job. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT ALL CLASS...LOL

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I predicted Jetstar would collapse within 2 years, which it will
how can you have 'predicted' something that has not happened yet? oh... mabye you really meant 'predict?'... in which case would you mind enlightening us with your informed opinion on this issue?.

I don't gamble but I'd love money on the collapse of wishful star I mean Jetstar.
you are plainly ill.

I dont know a single person flying today who 'wishes' cabin crew from a rival airline to lose their jobs. i know i certainly dont and i cant imagine there are many on here who do either. We are all in the same industry and most of us fly with who we do because that is who hired us or the only choice at the time. Picking an airline is not like a box of chocolates you know. sometimes you dont have a choice and sometimes some melt so you need to move on and choose another . I have not heard of many people who picked an airline and flew with it 'for life' and i am sure if you surveyed people on this forum and asked them if their airline collapsed would they fly with the rival they would mostly answer yes. its called living, and its about flying for the jobs sake, not for the uniform or company.

We fly in airlines that compete with each other but we are not 'enemies' by any standard. we are all here to do the same job, and we say hello to each other in the terminals and sometimes even drink and eat together in hotel bars and restaurants as joint crews. We all know that without healthy competition, airlines would not need to expand and hire more crew.. so sit back and think about that for a moment before you start wishing every other airline to go bust.. in most cases its the new airlines that are our (cabin crew i am talking about , not your) future.
Simply by typing this you have proven to everyone on this forum that you are simply a spiteful little wannabe..you pretend you know so much but all you want to do is boast to everyone about things that you never do and positions you really want and have the chance to accept, but probably never even got through the initial interview stage.


oh, and one more thing:

I have just been offered a sensational position, so I won't be going to the VB interview, then agian Andy man neither are you, only difference is, I'm deciding not to go, you can't go because you have not been invited, take care washing the dishes now.
spite again, and all that really sounds like is jealousy. There is nothing wrong with being turned away from your first airline interview, lots of us were the first time too. You however obviously know that there is no way in hell they would even look twice at you so you have decided not to go at all. now thats what i call enthuasism and passion and dedication! (not). something of which it sounds like, andyman has and you dont. big difference.


andyman.....u r not CC material so grow up and continue to wash dishes at the local restaurant. VB recruiters obviously saw right through you well done VB recruiters
just showing everyone again your immaturity and jealousy. i personally am offended that you think you even know what 'cabin crew material' is. Humor us will you and tell us all why you would make a great crewmember.
Goodluck in your sensational new position...!



oh, and andyman.. i dont know you but it sounds like this is what you want to do and it is something you will work towards acheiveing so goodluck and dont let crazy people like this moron put you off, we all get knocked back but its part of the run. goodluck!


--- Mr Seatback: still cracking up over the woman lesbian and male gays thing. see you soon hopefully!



fly safe!
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Old 28th Jan 2004, 14:16
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You see the trouble with QF Flight Attendants is that they are so over weight that the Flight Crew have to continually trim the aircraft!!!!

The Purser must not go to the rear of the cabin on landing or they may get a tail strike!!

QF must go on a diet...
 


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