30-40 Virgin Blue Cabin Crew Quit each month ?
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brisvegasboy,
While I agree with most of your comments I don't agree with your comments on giving virgin a break just because they are a new carrier. They are not a new carrier, 3 years ago they were, but they are not now. They have had 3 years to work out there rostering problems to help keep their staff from becoming exhausted and overworked and it hasn't happened.
30-40 staff a month is an extremely high turnover rate, I would hate to find the job of my dreams and then have to leave because I was to exhausted to do my job properly.
While I agree with most of your comments I don't agree with your comments on giving virgin a break just because they are a new carrier. They are not a new carrier, 3 years ago they were, but they are not now. They have had 3 years to work out there rostering problems to help keep their staff from becoming exhausted and overworked and it hasn't happened.
30-40 staff a month is an extremely high turnover rate, I would hate to find the job of my dreams and then have to leave because I was to exhausted to do my job properly.
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People do the math.
1.VB have 6-7 new A/C coming by the end of the year.
2.Apparently they want 40-41 A/C by March/April 2004.
3.They want to start International by the end of the year.
Talked with a guy the other day and he said they recruit about 30-32 crew per A/C and as they expand they have about 8-10 Cabin Crew promoted to supervisor per new A/C. (somebody work that out for me)Add natural attrition to that and you have alot of people.
He said they want the Melbourne base as big as Brisbane and the number of resignations aren't as high as reported here.
Reckons that alot of the ones leaving have been there for a while and are moving on.
1.VB have 6-7 new A/C coming by the end of the year.
2.Apparently they want 40-41 A/C by March/April 2004.
3.They want to start International by the end of the year.
Talked with a guy the other day and he said they recruit about 30-32 crew per A/C and as they expand they have about 8-10 Cabin Crew promoted to supervisor per new A/C. (somebody work that out for me)Add natural attrition to that and you have alot of people.
He said they want the Melbourne base as big as Brisbane and the number of resignations aren't as high as reported here.
Reckons that alot of the ones leaving have been there for a while and are moving on.
Now people, please.
Interesting to note former crewmates have now fallen victim to the stock standard sandpit fights circa grade 1 & 2 that now goes by the name PPRUNE.
In the almost 2 years since AN's collapse new alliances would seem to have been formed along with new battle plans to dennegrate anyone that doesn't work for your particular company. Me thinks ones own housekeeping needs to be in order before the mud starts to fly..
For those of you on the precipice of a new start at VB, all the very best to you. If serving people, challenging hours and being a part of a company still on the way up is your cup of tea, you will enjoy it.
I believe the original thread had something to do with crew leaving en mass from VB. If it is accurate so be it. If time away from home and being in danger of breaking into a sweat is reason for you to leave, being a FA is definately not for you. Having said that, good on you for getting out before turning into a completely useless individual that hangs around way past your useby date has expired, something QF and I'm sad to say AN had in droves.
Two different companies remain, both with different business models and very probably different job descriptions to get them where they want to go. At the end of the day, for excom anyway its about making money, and on that front both seem to be doing very well indeed
Interesting to note former crewmates have now fallen victim to the stock standard sandpit fights circa grade 1 & 2 that now goes by the name PPRUNE.
In the almost 2 years since AN's collapse new alliances would seem to have been formed along with new battle plans to dennegrate anyone that doesn't work for your particular company. Me thinks ones own housekeeping needs to be in order before the mud starts to fly..
For those of you on the precipice of a new start at VB, all the very best to you. If serving people, challenging hours and being a part of a company still on the way up is your cup of tea, you will enjoy it.
I believe the original thread had something to do with crew leaving en mass from VB. If it is accurate so be it. If time away from home and being in danger of breaking into a sweat is reason for you to leave, being a FA is definately not for you. Having said that, good on you for getting out before turning into a completely useless individual that hangs around way past your useby date has expired, something QF and I'm sad to say AN had in droves.
Two different companies remain, both with different business models and very probably different job descriptions to get them where they want to go. At the end of the day, for excom anyway its about making money, and on that front both seem to be doing very well indeed
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Dear 34R. What age exactly does the use by date kick in? I am sorry. but that is an extremely ignorant thing to say. I have known plenty of well within their use by dates that were so caught up in everything bar their work that it was a joke. Going sick at the drop of a hat, fights with boyfriends/girlfriends that left them a sobbing mess down the back and the "must attend" party that saw many use by's doing the work for them or caring for the little poppets until all was well in their self centred world. Having said that, there was most certainly a lot of dead wood in the more senior sections of both AN and QF, but , please, please dont lump everyone into the same category. There is good and bad in every age bracket and each has something unique to give, provided of course they are there for the right reasons. I have no intention of turning this into an age orientated aguement, just wanted to comment on the subject.
ANFLYGIRL,
Not too sure where in my post I illuded to a particular age group being past their useby date, nor do I recall lumping everyone into that demographic.
What I said was, and feel free to re read if necessary, both AN and QF had them in droves. I made no mention of how old they were.
Any crew members that continually came to work uninterested, did as little as possible and saw the majority of passengers as an inconvienience were as far I'm concerned past their use by date, be them 2 months into the job or 20 years.
In my 8 years at AN as a FA & CM I saw this almost every day I went to work. Both young and more experienced crews were guilty of it. Please don't suggest that I implied it was an ailment native only to longer serving crew, for that truely shows signs of ignorance.
Not too sure where in my post I illuded to a particular age group being past their useby date, nor do I recall lumping everyone into that demographic.
What I said was, and feel free to re read if necessary, both AN and QF had them in droves. I made no mention of how old they were.
Any crew members that continually came to work uninterested, did as little as possible and saw the majority of passengers as an inconvienience were as far I'm concerned past their use by date, be them 2 months into the job or 20 years.
In my 8 years at AN as a FA & CM I saw this almost every day I went to work. Both young and more experienced crews were guilty of it. Please don't suggest that I implied it was an ailment native only to longer serving crew, for that truely shows signs of ignorance.
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What age exactly does the use by date kick in?
Not too sure where in my post I illuded (sic) to a particular age group being past their useby date
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I have just recently started flying with DJ. So far so good.
We do work hard, especially with quick turnarounds between flights.
The numbers posted here in regards to people leaving are untrue, more like 10-15 month unless someone like Emirates is recruiting and then I think we lost a few more with some going O/S.
On average we get 10-15 overnights a month, which is great for those of us who don't mind being away and earning some extra $.
The next 4 day trip I have is a 06:15 sign on from BNE going MEL/SYD/MEL sign off 14:00. Day 2 sign on MEL 06:05 PER/ADL sign off 14:35. Day 3 sign on ADL 05:05 MEL/CBR/MEL/LST sign off 12:40. Day 4 sign on LST 05:40 MEL/ADL/BNE Sign off 12:35.
Doesn't sound too bad to me!
We are recruiting at full pace at the moment to staff a few more aircraft due by the end of the year.
It might not be everyone's cup of tea, but what job out there is?
Happy flying and look forward to seeing some of you online!
We do work hard, especially with quick turnarounds between flights.
The numbers posted here in regards to people leaving are untrue, more like 10-15 month unless someone like Emirates is recruiting and then I think we lost a few more with some going O/S.
On average we get 10-15 overnights a month, which is great for those of us who don't mind being away and earning some extra $.
The next 4 day trip I have is a 06:15 sign on from BNE going MEL/SYD/MEL sign off 14:00. Day 2 sign on MEL 06:05 PER/ADL sign off 14:35. Day 3 sign on ADL 05:05 MEL/CBR/MEL/LST sign off 12:40. Day 4 sign on LST 05:40 MEL/ADL/BNE Sign off 12:35.
Doesn't sound too bad to me!
We are recruiting at full pace at the moment to staff a few more aircraft due by the end of the year.
It might not be everyone's cup of tea, but what job out there is?
Happy flying and look forward to seeing some of you online!
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Anna,
Sounds like you are having fun ! congrats !
Do you think that with the recruitment happening at full pace at present that any person hired would start ground school very shortly after being hired ?
Is there a waitlist ? Is there an option to delay your start date ?
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Sounds like you are having fun ! congrats !
Do you think that with the recruitment happening at full pace at present that any person hired would start ground school very shortly after being hired ?
Is there a waitlist ? Is there an option to delay your start date ?
many thanks
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Recruitment is in overdrive at the moment because we have several new planes on order between now and the end of the year....virgin plans to expand its melbourne base also. From what i have heard we are looking at putting on 500 extra crew between now and the end of the year.
As for numbers leaving...there are a number of reasons. As stated earlier some FA's leave when big recruitments happen with long haul airlines...others due to maternity leave. Alot of the younger girls work for a few years then jet off overseas to work while they can still get visa's - which is the case for most. The numbers quoted initially on this forum though were incorrect.
As for waitlists....waitlists arent long..and you can put a wait list on hold. I believe currently they have training schools going thru every week up until the end of the year and filling fast.
Its a fun company to work for...I'm ex AN fa and you can progress quite quickly if you choose to. Alot of ex AN's are now in middle management positions.
The last training group had 2 males over the age of 35 and more and more oldies are being recruited, which is a breath of fresh air.
Dont believe all the crap you read....there is a lot of bitterness directed at virgin...the age ratios are now coming into line..and more often than not the ones leaving are the young ones...most of whom have university degrees and just wanted a fun job to do in the interim...or to jet off overseas - the younger girls also miss having their weekends off...(agreed should think of that before taking job on) or cant handle being away from boyfriends..
the company is releasing they have more stability with a more mature age group...but its still a mix....
As for numbers leaving...there are a number of reasons. As stated earlier some FA's leave when big recruitments happen with long haul airlines...others due to maternity leave. Alot of the younger girls work for a few years then jet off overseas to work while they can still get visa's - which is the case for most. The numbers quoted initially on this forum though were incorrect.
As for waitlists....waitlists arent long..and you can put a wait list on hold. I believe currently they have training schools going thru every week up until the end of the year and filling fast.
Its a fun company to work for...I'm ex AN fa and you can progress quite quickly if you choose to. Alot of ex AN's are now in middle management positions.
The last training group had 2 males over the age of 35 and more and more oldies are being recruited, which is a breath of fresh air.
Dont believe all the crap you read....there is a lot of bitterness directed at virgin...the age ratios are now coming into line..and more often than not the ones leaving are the young ones...most of whom have university degrees and just wanted a fun job to do in the interim...or to jet off overseas - the younger girls also miss having their weekends off...(agreed should think of that before taking job on) or cant handle being away from boyfriends..
the company is releasing they have more stability with a more mature age group...but its still a mix....
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Virgin Atmosphere
We would all like to believe that Virgin are starting to hire allot more over the age of 12 but it will never get to that point.
It's not what their Airline is designed for. The large turn over is part and parcel of the job and the Virgin atmosphere.
And that isn’t a bad thing. Their Airline is designed to have happy, energetic and youthful employees because they are trying to attract that market. It's an inexpensive airline with fun.
So their turnover will always be high, their staff young, their employees run into the ground and the experience for those who join exciting, fun and short.
It is what it is.
It's not what their Airline is designed for. The large turn over is part and parcel of the job and the Virgin atmosphere.
And that isn’t a bad thing. Their Airline is designed to have happy, energetic and youthful employees because they are trying to attract that market. It's an inexpensive airline with fun.
So their turnover will always be high, their staff young, their employees run into the ground and the experience for those who join exciting, fun and short.
It is what it is.
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I just applied to Virgin Blue tonight. Does anyone know when they will be doing interviews in Perth again? I take it from the previous posts, that they're interviewing at a pretty constant rate.
Thanks!
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VB Pax Complaints
I can't say I have ever heard of a person who has flown with them to not have a complaint. Everything from not being asked to stow away a bag and instead the cabin crew without a word just kicking the bag under the seat to culturally unaware staff showing little respect to Asian guests.
Qwannas,
WHO would be happy when all you EVER do is sign on for a 4 day trip? The FA's are away for 6 months of the year! It is just pathetic, really.
Alpha bravo Charlie
you said [quote] minimum rest is a CASA requirement not a company policy, regardless of airline. [quote]
Hate to burst your bubble but there are NO CASA requirements about FLIGHT ATTENDANT rest.
CAO48 deals only with tech crew and the only place where flight attendant resttt, duty periods etc is regulated is under the industrial agreement in place at each company.
This may change under the new rules, but it remains to be seen.
Many are of the opinion that breaking min rest etc is "illegal". It isn't as it is not against the law, merely in breach of your industrial agreement.
You wold only have recourse through the IRC, rather than through CASA or the courts.
you said [quote] minimum rest is a CASA requirement not a company policy, regardless of airline. [quote]
Hate to burst your bubble but there are NO CASA requirements about FLIGHT ATTENDANT rest.
CAO48 deals only with tech crew and the only place where flight attendant resttt, duty periods etc is regulated is under the industrial agreement in place at each company.
This may change under the new rules, but it remains to be seen.
Many are of the opinion that breaking min rest etc is "illegal". It isn't as it is not against the law, merely in breach of your industrial agreement.
You wold only have recourse through the IRC, rather than through CASA or the courts.
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Looks like its not a career airline then.
Branson is well known for poor pay , and all he wants from any deal is image image image.
If he gets you from AtoB cheaply tho,then there is nothing to complain about.
I worked for Virgin Atlantic in 91, and the salary was appalling.
(And they used to sell the crew rest seats EVERY flight, so LHR-LAX was nice, on your feet for 16 hours (total).
Branson is well known for poor pay , and all he wants from any deal is image image image.
If he gets you from AtoB cheaply tho,then there is nothing to complain about.
I worked for Virgin Atlantic in 91, and the salary was appalling.
(And they used to sell the crew rest seats EVERY flight, so LHR-LAX was nice, on your feet for 16 hours (total).
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DJ Interviews?
Maybe a stupid question, but here goes anyway. Is Vigin Blue actually recruiting as regular as the posts say? What about Perth people, are they likely to have a chance or will they be overlooked? How often does recruitment take place?
In regards to dress code for DJ interviews. I've heard not to dress too formal, suit pants and shirt with top button undone, no tie (ie don't dress as if you're attending a QF interview) Is it also true that at DJ interviews you have to dance around and sing a song etc?
Just a question, because Perth is so far away from Brisbane, would DJ tend to favour east coast applicants? Again maybe a stupid question, but i had to ask.
thanks
In regards to dress code for DJ interviews. I've heard not to dress too formal, suit pants and shirt with top button undone, no tie (ie don't dress as if you're attending a QF interview) Is it also true that at DJ interviews you have to dance around and sing a song etc?
Just a question, because Perth is so far away from Brisbane, would DJ tend to favour east coast applicants? Again maybe a stupid question, but i had to ask.
thanks
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HI OZcabincrew,
In my intitial cabin crew training group there were 6 girls from Perth. The interviews for them took a little longer and they were given alot more notice than us 'east coast' people.
DJ often recruits from Perth so keep putting your application in and you'll get your turn soon.
best of luck
love SMILE
In my intitial cabin crew training group there were 6 girls from Perth. The interviews for them took a little longer and they were given alot more notice than us 'east coast' people.
DJ often recruits from Perth so keep putting your application in and you'll get your turn soon.
best of luck
love SMILE
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Hi there
I must admit, that i have flown Virgin Blue a few times now, and so have fellow QF colleagues of mine. The majority of flights were fantastic , no silly stuff went on, they got the job done, were very professional, the only difference was, that i paid for my lunch. So be it!!! At least it was fresh and not in a box...
Don't get me wrong i am not planning on leaving my job at QF, to go and work for them, but at least there is another airline out there interviewing, and making some people's dreams come true!!!
I must admit, that i have flown Virgin Blue a few times now, and so have fellow QF colleagues of mine. The majority of flights were fantastic , no silly stuff went on, they got the job done, were very professional, the only difference was, that i paid for my lunch. So be it!!! At least it was fresh and not in a box...
Don't get me wrong i am not planning on leaving my job at QF, to go and work for them, but at least there is another airline out there interviewing, and making some people's dreams come true!!!
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Thanks for your comments QT...it is refreshing to see a qantas staff member supporting fellow collegues even if they do work for another airline. At the end of the day we all do the same job...I have respect for the qantas f/a's and any other FA out there.
Same job...different companies....they all have their positives and negatives.
Love your work....would love to fly with you anyday...
Same job...different companies....they all have their positives and negatives.
Love your work....would love to fly with you anyday...