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Yup, from what I could work out, people with previous flying experience who interviewed up to the end of may have been called for training - but with 3 courses filled already for LGW, I think that chances for us in the holding pool without flying experience are very slim.
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Agreed - and with a flood of ex flyers coming onto the market (ex AEU, XL, Zoom etc) it will not get any easier either.
Maybe there is something to be said for joining EZY to at least get a foot in the aviation door!
Maybe there is something to be said for joining EZY to at least get a foot in the aviation door!
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No offence Lauderdale but that's not what new entrants to flying want to hear. There are some within that pool, for whom no other airline is acceptable for whatever reason is personal to them. Some perhaps have family connections, and to fly with another airline - any other airline - is just not what they want.
As for the courses filling at the moment, I accept that redeployments within the company are taking place again, and as with other base closures staff may be offered the chance to fly if they can be redeployed in that way. But I don't think that external applicants with flying experience should be prioritised over external applicants without that experience. And clearly that is happening.
As for the courses filling at the moment, I accept that redeployments within the company are taking place again, and as with other base closures staff may be offered the chance to fly if they can be redeployed in that way. But I don't think that external applicants with flying experience should be prioritised over external applicants without that experience. And clearly that is happening.
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Can someone please explain why July assessments are being called for the 5th Jan course? (No prev flying exp apparent).
Sorry July assessment people - nothing personal - but what IS happening?
After 22 years as CC and more elsewhere within BA , I have a 3rd generation caught up in this. I'd love to know. And I'm not the only one.
We have insiders here- can you help?
Sorry July assessment people - nothing personal - but what IS happening?
After 22 years as CC and more elsewhere within BA , I have a 3rd generation caught up in this. I'd love to know. And I'm not the only one.
We have insiders here- can you help?
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I agree with you there. When applying to BA they said no flying experience was needed. It seems a little unfair why those already working for an airline or have done previously have been given places over those who have no flying experience. (Sorry to you guys, nothing against you - well done) We are all waiting in the pool, some longer than others and a step into the avaiton world would be nice, also Im sure its exactly the same training for all. I dont understand why they changed their way of choosing people, seems there are many of us who were suppose to be on the september courses and with no flying experience are still waiting.
Well done and good luck to those starting in January!
Well done and good luck to those starting in January!
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How about a reality check? The market isnt exactly in a state where beggers can be choosers. My question as an employer to you would be: "how much do you really want it then? Really really really want it if you refuse to get some flying experience by flying for the like of ezy?"
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Maybe a reminder should be in place stating that BA are still a business (not a charity) - if I can employ someone with 10 years worth of experience on say A319/320 etc when I have that same fleet then it makes sense that I will utilise that experience. Let alone people who have 15 years+ experience with the BA product say via an ex franchise.
Sorry guys - but if you really WANT to fly then you will take the path that will get you there. Aviation at the moment is not the place to be picky - and it has ALWAYS been the place where determination counts for everything..........
No offence Lauderdale but that's not what new entrants to flying want to hear. There are some within that pool, for whom no other airline is acceptable for whatever reason is personal to them. Some perhaps have family connections, and to fly with another airline - any other airline - is just not what they want.
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But I don't think that external applicants with flying experience should be prioritised over external applicants without that experience. And clearly that is happening.
It seems a little unfair why those already working for an airline or have done previously have been given places over those who have no flying experience.
Sorry guys - but if you really WANT to fly then you will take the path that will get you there. Aviation at the moment is not the place to be picky - and it has ALWAYS been the place where determination counts for everything..........
Lauderdale
Sorry to butt in but good point well made.
It's no good people sticking their fingers in their ears and singing "la la la we can't hear you" when bad news is announced. A good friend of mine (Temp Cabin Crew) has just been laid off from BA, as have some of the ex-Manchester people redeployed down South last year. Recruitment on the other side of the Flight Deck door at the moment is at a complete standstill...
If you've got a Course in BA in the near future keep your fingers crossed you hang on to it, if you want to be Crew if anyone offers you a Cabin Crew job in the present climate grab it with both hands.
Hanging on for the vague promise of a job at BA simply for reasons of preference or family history is, frankly, barking in the present climate. As Lauderdale has quite rightly said "Aviation at the moment is not the place to be picky".
Whatever you do - good luck.
Sorry to butt in but good point well made.
It's no good people sticking their fingers in their ears and singing "la la la we can't hear you" when bad news is announced. A good friend of mine (Temp Cabin Crew) has just been laid off from BA, as have some of the ex-Manchester people redeployed down South last year. Recruitment on the other side of the Flight Deck door at the moment is at a complete standstill...
If you've got a Course in BA in the near future keep your fingers crossed you hang on to it, if you want to be Crew if anyone offers you a Cabin Crew job in the present climate grab it with both hands.
Hanging on for the vague promise of a job at BA simply for reasons of preference or family history is, frankly, barking in the present climate. As Lauderdale has quite rightly said "Aviation at the moment is not the place to be picky".
Whatever you do - good luck.
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Of course you are right that people with experience on a specific aircraft previously should be offered employment and hence that is probably one of main reason they were offered a job to begin with. But remember it isnt all about an aircraft they have worked on, personality and customer service experience is a main factor also which Im sure the majority of people who are all waiting in the pool have a great experience of. After all everyone is put through the same training and tests so experience on an aircraft or not shouldnt really dictate the order of those starting training courses first.
As someone quoted in another forum, the email those of us received on september cancelled courses:
"We appreciate that you will be disappointed to hear this news, however please be assured that your application will be kept on file and as soon as we have further course dates confirmed these will be offered to candidates in the date order of courses previously assigned"
Now thats why I said it was unfair. I was number 26 in the pool and hearing someone number 87 has been offered a training date before me because they have flying experience seems a little unjust now.
As someone quoted in another forum, the email those of us received on september cancelled courses:
"We appreciate that you will be disappointed to hear this news, however please be assured that your application will be kept on file and as soon as we have further course dates confirmed these will be offered to candidates in the date order of courses previously assigned"
Now thats why I said it was unfair. I was number 26 in the pool and hearing someone number 87 has been offered a training date before me because they have flying experience seems a little unjust now.
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From this forum and another, the people who have said they have a training course for january all have previous flying experience and noone without or may be ex-employs of BA?! Also those with assessments in July have been offered a place before those who had assessments in April :-S Sorry its just an assumptions though. You say you also have flying experience - Im guessing there are many of you that have and hence they are cherry picking at the moment and assessment date order has gone out the window. 
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The Company is taking an expensive risk training anyone...will they pass or will they fail?
Look at it this way..imagine you are running a Cabin Crew Training Department and you have just had your Training budget slashed by the Company Boss. You are presented with two applicants for a Cabin crew job, both have extensive customer service experience and a winning personality, but only one has proven that he/she can pass a Cabin Crew Training Course and has a record of flying on the line. Who would you pick to put on the next available course, bearing in mind the accountants are looking over your shoulder and any training failures come out of your budget?
I really will go away now.
Look at it this way..imagine you are running a Cabin Crew Training Department and you have just had your Training budget slashed by the Company Boss. You are presented with two applicants for a Cabin crew job, both have extensive customer service experience and a winning personality, but only one has proven that he/she can pass a Cabin Crew Training Course and has a record of flying on the line. Who would you pick to put on the next available course, bearing in mind the accountants are looking over your shoulder and any training failures come out of your budget?
I really will go away now.
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You have made a very good point there and thank you - that was an area I didnt think of lol. My only defence to that and speaking about myself would be that surely a graduate of engineering who has worked hard for three years passing all exams and with the neccessary customer service skills and personality would still be a good candidate to pass cabin crew training?!
Sorry guys if Im moaning I have been waiting a long time to start and really want it! Just like many of you!
Sorry guys if Im moaning I have been waiting a long time to start and really want it! Just like many of you!
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You are obviously passionate about this - and for that I applaud you. I also agree with you that the way course places are allocated can be frustrating (being politically correct here!).
However, what ever you do - and please take this bit of advice from someone who is well in the know when it comes to this industry; grab what you can get at this moment in time. The whole world does not revolve around BA. The like of VS, MON etc are great carriers to work for. Take ezy if it comes along - at least it will give you some experience - will put you in touch with people. This is a very small world (aviation).......a lot of it is 'who you know'......
But please do not fall in the snobby trap like someone else on this forum....
Determination is what it is all about!
You are obviously passionate about this - and for that I applaud you. I also agree with you that the way course places are allocated can be frustrating (being politically correct here!).
However, what ever you do - and please take this bit of advice from someone who is well in the know when it comes to this industry; grab what you can get at this moment in time. The whole world does not revolve around BA. The like of VS, MON etc are great carriers to work for. Take ezy if it comes along - at least it will give you some experience - will put you in touch with people. This is a very small world (aviation).......a lot of it is 'who you know'......
But please do not fall in the snobby trap like someone else on this forum....
Determination is what it is all about!
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sorry I didnt mean that, just that all of us are capable of passing training otherwise we wouldnt have been offered employment to begin with.
thank you I will seriously consider other airlines now. Its just BA was my first choice and applied there first and got in. Hopefully we will all hear something in the near future.
Good luck to all!
thank you I will seriously consider other airlines now. Its just BA was my first choice and applied there first and got in. Hopefully we will all hear something in the near future.
Good luck to all!
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I replied to the thread, but the system logged me out before I knew it. Guess I took too long to consider how you felt; and keep you on a pedestal. But considering you was a must.
I am BA trained. I'm so well BA trained that I still say Sir and Madam. It took me years to show a bit of road rage!
I had some relevant points, some which I will still convey. And I would like your opinion.
I'll get back to you. In the meanwhile look up the words 'loyal' and 'allegiance'. And reflect on how you think those true meanings have made British Airways the Airline it is today. Think of the staff members who have worked, sometimes for a lifetime - and many still meet like families; think of the staff members who have generations within the Company, and what inspired those generations to join.
Think, instead of cabin crew, of British Airways Cabin Crew; and if it hits your inner core, reckon you could be OK!!!
And if it doesn't, maybe you just want to be cabin crew.
For snobby ... read loyal. Determination is for those who just want a cabin the job. For loyal.. look for those who want to fly as British Airways Cabin Crew.
I am BA trained. I'm so well BA trained that I still say Sir and Madam. It took me years to show a bit of road rage!
I had some relevant points, some which I will still convey. And I would like your opinion.
I'll get back to you. In the meanwhile look up the words 'loyal' and 'allegiance'. And reflect on how you think those true meanings have made British Airways the Airline it is today. Think of the staff members who have worked, sometimes for a lifetime - and many still meet like families; think of the staff members who have generations within the Company, and what inspired those generations to join.
Think, instead of cabin crew, of British Airways Cabin Crew; and if it hits your inner core, reckon you could be OK!!!
And if it doesn't, maybe you just want to be cabin crew.
For snobby ... read loyal. Determination is for those who just want a cabin the job. For loyal.. look for those who want to fly as British Airways Cabin Crew.
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For snobby ... read loyal. Determination is for those who just want a cabin the job. For loyal.. look for those who want to fly as British Airways Cabin Crew
2) "....just want to be CC..." - JUST???? How snobbish is that?
And btw.....I spent 10 years of my life saying "....welcome on board this British Airways Service to XXXX...."
BA can be a great company to work for (I say CAN! as plenty of people have been screwed by management over the years) but so can many other companies......reality check required!
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Just to bring you up to date from Cranebank training centre. Yesterday there was a number of staff forums for Customer Services / Operations training staff and the message was stated that there must be an imediate cut of costs by 20% to ensure the company future. Some of us that have a number of years in would suggest that the figure is nearer 33% as a required saving. This does not empact with immediate effect as BA is large and things take some months to happen.
This does not directly effect the CC budgets but does however directly involve recruitment and selection. As some of you have implied it makes good sense if there is to be any NECC courses to take those that have previous experience and utilise internal staff that have been displaced. This may enable the courses to be reduced by a few days or even by a week. The courses that have been mentioned for Dec / Jan have still yet to be firmed up here.
Thge NECC January courses have been canx.
This does not directly effect the CC budgets but does however directly involve recruitment and selection. As some of you have implied it makes good sense if there is to be any NECC courses to take those that have previous experience and utilise internal staff that have been displaced. This may enable the courses to be reduced by a few days or even by a week. The courses that have been mentioned for Dec / Jan have still yet to be firmed up here.
Thge NECC January courses have been canx.
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Hello Lauderdale,
They contacted me over the telephone, then sent me a confirmation email.
I was originally scheduled to start 29th September. I found this out in July, then it was cancelled 2 weeks later.
Hope your friend gets that phone call very soon. Its so painful waiting. I was told I would most probably be starting early next year, so it was quite a surprise for me. It seems like they may be slotting people in as and when they can.
Do you fly with BA out of the US?
They contacted me over the telephone, then sent me a confirmation email.
I was originally scheduled to start 29th September. I found this out in July, then it was cancelled 2 weeks later.
Hope your friend gets that phone call very soon. Its so painful waiting. I was told I would most probably be starting early next year, so it was quite a surprise for me. It seems like they may be slotting people in as and when they can.
Do you fly with BA out of the US?
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BA LGW Fleet, new recruit
Hello,
I am starting my Cabin Crew training in December.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me, how quickly do you start flying once you have qualified. Is it immediately and if so will I be flying long haul in the first few weeks. I have so many questions so any feed back would be much appreciated.
Any new starters due to start in December?
I am starting my Cabin Crew training in December.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me, how quickly do you start flying once you have qualified. Is it immediately and if so will I be flying long haul in the first few weeks. I have so many questions so any feed back would be much appreciated.
Any new starters due to start in December?