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Old 19th Aug 2023, 23:47
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1) Yep. Crew do get asked to go a day or two early. Iíve done it a few times recently as I fancied proceeding far away to operate in a new area. Both times I got home a day early. You make it sound like we have too - we donít. Itís a request.

2) deffo get paid the extra days. I get my visas done and submit expenses on time - itís not difficult.

3) not sure but ďper diemsĒ definitely arenít enough in some places, but more than enough in others. Iím ďup on the dealĒ every month ie I havenít spent all of my per diems each month. I eat out and eat well.

4) We do get crew food but not every time. No dramas, my former life was a loco regional where we got nothing ever. I have no issue buying a nice poke bowl etc

5) never been asked to fly private. We have refused plenty of flights which are ďon paperĒ legal, but we have made a decision that itís not sensible. Iíve NEVER had kick back for refusing a duty. I definitely DID in my former loco.

6) not experienced that.

7) not my experience.

8) I have no issue sleeping in the crew rest area. Itís quite short but thatís a design feature of Bombardier. Itís approved by EASA and FAA. So canít pin that on VJ. I can have it flat if I want it. Sometimes I donít. Augmented flights are hard on the body for sure. But the rest area is adequate.

9) correct about business class. This is all explained at interview though. Sometimes we get it sometimes we donít.

10) Not true for the TRIís I know. I flew with one a few months ago and he did a few days flying and then went to the sim to teach. So not on his days off. Maybe true for some though.

11) 17/13 fully explained at interview. Including sim on your days off. So think carefully.

For me it works brilliantly. My previous loco was far more disruptive and interfered far more with family life.

13) They do need receipts done correctly. Plenty of time to sort it on your days ON. I have NEVER been contacted on my days off. That part is brilliant.

14) You can certainly earn more elsewhere.

I personally thoroughly enjoy VJ. Lots of crew have been here a long time. We have great training, a sound SMS and we have a lot of fun and laughs down route.

Hard work? Oh yes.
Better jobs around? For sure
Worse jobs around? For sure

2 days before I start again I get quite excited and am really looking forward to it. That says a lot I think. Iíve never looked forward to flying as much as I do with this job. Day 15 though and Iím ready to go home. I get home and itís great, work phone goes off and I completely switch off.


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Old 20th Aug 2023, 02:26
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Great to hear of someone who is a happy pigeon in the loft he has adopted camel, I swear some folk on winning the lottery would complain of the colour ink used on the cheque.
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Old 21st Aug 2023, 15:28
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Long time reader, first time posting.
I have been invited to the assessment in Berlim.
Most of what is written isnīt very favourable towards Vistajet, but still i wanna give them a chance and listen to what they have to say in person.
So far i know that the rotations are 17/13, with vacations, training and everything else being during the off days.
The salary is around 45K.
What are the per diems exactly? Does it change according to the fleet or where you are flying too?
Do you have any kind of penson scheme contribution, any loss of licence or medical insurance or is it something you will have to take care on your own, deducting from your salary?
How does it work regarding medical license renewals? Do you go wherever you want and present the invoice to the company, or it is up to you to pay for it?
Do you get pay from day one, when you start you type rating, or only when starting the line training?
Any chance of catching a ride on non revenue flights?
Thanks in advance
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Old 21st Aug 2023, 22:28
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Originally Posted by ATOguy
I have no time for VJ as an employer, they are in the same category as Ryanair and I would never consider working for them. But you donít do your argument any favours by coming out with nonsense like this.
You are not training and travelling on your days off. Those are work days as per your contract, and if you add up the number of days you work in a year on this arrangement it is less than the number worked by someone with a full time job. Which makes it hard for people with a full time job to sympathise.
What argument? Because it is a fact.
I have ex colleagues who work at Vista and ex Vista employees who are at my current company.
Both confirmed that it does happen at Vista, positioning in your off days at times (and you are expected to say yes) and definitely the training in your off days.
Letís not even go into the creative FTL situationÖ.

I donít give a rats ass what ďa full time employeeĒ thinks.
This is not about sympathy. Itís about cold facts, affecting safety and affecting honest competition.
Work days alone donít define full time. Time away from home, as others above very accurately wrote, is just as important a factor in work.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 07:09
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There is truth in most everything that I have seen written, at least to some amount .

to be clear, you proceed early twice a year to give you an 18 day rotation (proceed on day 13 of your off days) . You bid for these at the end of the year for the next year and they are based on seniority. Itís to you when you choose them but outside these days ( which are mandatory) you donít have to do extra even if they ask you.

Iccasionally you will get home standby by getting home a day or two early or even starting a day or two late. On average you will probably be away from home for about 205-210 days per year, some years more and some years less . That may or may not work for you.

there are lots of downsides, but there are some upsides. You have to consider the fact that not everyone lives 15 minute away from a major airport with good quality and high paying airlines . If you live two hours away and do not want to move your whole life and family to be near an airport you are limited to a handful of operators. If you canít get into Netjets you become even more limited.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 23:02
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Interesting that you don’t give a “rats ass” what a full time employee thinks.

I am a full time employee and the job is fine. For me personally I actually enjoy it. Yes we train during the 13 off days but it’s all explained prior to signing the contract.

Nobody is held down and forced to agree to the terms, which (for me anyway) were made VERY clear at interview.

Yes I do sometimes get asked to go a day early, I’ve said “no” and I’ve said “yes”. It’s been my choice. Personally nobody has come to my house and dragged me from my home a day early. On many of those duties when I’ve said “yes”, I’ve got home a day early too - wonderful stuff.

I’ve been with crew where we’ve refused a duty as we were pretty knackered - zero kick back, just a polite message saying “hope you all get some good rest and thanks for letting us know”.

I’m not saying your “friends” experience is different, but this is first hand “MY” experience.

I have the best work/home balance I’ve ever had, I’ve been flying for 15 years with a mixture of loco airline and biz jet.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 18:45
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Originally Posted by camel toe
Yes we train during the 13 off days but itís all explained prior to signing the contract.

Nobody is held down and forced to agree to the terms, which (for me anyway) were made VERY clear at interview.
Read the second sentence you wrote, then read the first one..
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 18:48
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Ok I have. I’m not native English speaker so can you explain.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 19:03
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Originally Posted by camel toe
Ok I have. Iím not native English speaker so can you explain.
Its contradictory to say " "nobody is held down and forced o agree to the terms" and then you say "its made clear to you before you sign the contract that you might do training on your days off" Which i guess means if you dont agree, you don't get the contract
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 20:28
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It’s simple I guess: You forced if you want the job!

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Old 26th Aug 2023, 07:35
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Ok. I’ll have another go. Thanks for explaining.

So it’s not “might train on days off”, but it is”training on days off” - I’ve never trained during my 17 ON, always on the 13 OFF.

This is explained at interview. Therefore, like any job I guess, if that’s not for you then you don’t join.

So, yes, if you want your 13 OFF to always be 13, then it’s not the job for you. If you want extra days OFF then it’s not the job for you etc

And I totally appreciate it’s not for everyone. But I had no surprises after joining, it’s “as described”. And I really enjoy it.

I know my days on/days off until Q3 next year, which makes it great for planning vacations etc.

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Old 26th Aug 2023, 10:12
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Yeah, 10 to maximum 13 days of vacation, great success!! Here I take 5 or 6 weeks off in a row...
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 11:37
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!
Yeah, 10 to maximum 13 days of vacation, great success!! Here I take 5 or 6 weeks off in a row...
And thatís great for you, genuinely very pleased, sounds like you have a great thing going.

For me, this works well and Iím happy, content and really really enjoy the flying, the aircraft and the people.

Iím someone that likes a week vacation here and there, a few long weekends dotted about. But for sure, if you like 5/6 weeks off, then it wouldnít work.
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 11:38
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Originally Posted by Vulka
Itís simple I guess: You forced if you want the job!

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yes, but is that not the case for most jobs?
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 12:22
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Camel toe; I can’t believe what I m reading , this attitude are destroying our profession and dignity!
Saddest thing you and many others are not aware!

keep going like this and the next will be; “ we offer you 27 days on and 3 off, of course training during your off 😉😂”
somebody like you will say yes and thanks for your clarity and honesty ! I really enjoy!

We are going back in labours condition ! Simply horrifying.
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 16:07
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Originally Posted by Vulka
Camel toe; I canít believe what I m reading , this attitude are destroying our profession and dignity!
Saddest thing you and many others are not aware!

keep going like this and the next will be; ď we offer you 27 days on and 3 off, of course training during your off 😉😂Ē
somebody like you will say yes and thanks for your clarity and honesty ! I really enjoy!

We are going back in labours condition ! Simply horrifying.
To be fair - the vista terms have been this way for years and like Ryanair, if you go in with your eyes open at the beginning then nobody gets hurt.

(but itís defo not for me and I like where Eat My Shorts and I fly &#128540
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 16:31
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Try all traning on minimal days off and then finding you have also been scheduled days in the sim to be sim buddie for your colleague on off days? Or to line train others? And not even being asked, just last minute rostered. And then penalised for refusing??? There are some really crap employers out there and I found most of them!
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 16:45
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Originally Posted by Vulka
Camel toe; I canít believe what I m reading , this attitude are destroying our profession and dignity!
Saddest thing you and many others are not aware!

keep going like this and the next will be; ď we offer you 27 days on and 3 off, of course training during your off 😉😂Ē
somebody like you will say yes and thanks for your clarity and honesty ! I really enjoy!

We are going back in labours condition ! Simply horrifying.
For me itís far far better than I had for my previous ďownerĒ job, and far more stable, less flying and less fatigue than the loco I worked for.

So yes I have accepted these terms, my alternatives were worse in many aspects. So in my experience itís an improvement on what Iíve had before.

These T&Cís have been the same for at least 7 years, so whilst there hasnít been an improvement there hasnít been a reduction. And like I said itís the best Iíve encountered so far in my career.


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Old 26th Aug 2023, 17:47
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The point is not which is the worse between Ryan or VJ or whatever Airline in Europe, the point is, in my opinion, try all to recover dignity for these job while the multimilionarie entrepreneurs play the game$$$

I don’t know your profile and Is not my intention to criticise your choices, far from me, I m talking in general.
Is absolutely acceptable from low hours or cadet accept any conditions and Blackmail for start(with union’s complaisance) but not from experienced people and more what the European Union is doing, if we have one?

good luck Camel and all the best sincerely.
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 18:00
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!
Yeah, 10 to maximum 13 days of vacation, great success!! Here I take 5 or 6 weeks off in a row...

really!,,,,,, how about expanding a bit more on that.
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