Lets fly for Vistajet?
So it seems Vista is hiring again? I turned it down some time ago, and mates at Vista are planning on leaving.
Firstly they say the Financial Future of it is questionable, but that has its own PPRUNE thread. There are a lot of interview questions and questions about working for Vistajet on the Financial Future thread, rather let's put the interview questions here. Whilst the market and conditions around Europe are constantly improving in favor of the pilots for the first time in a decade, Vista seems blind to the fact. Hell, even Wizzair is offering a sign-on bonus, a retention bonus of 25 000, 15 On /15 Off, 14 On /7 Off or 5 On / 5 Off. PLEASE ANY ACTUAL PAST/CURRENT VISTAJET CREW CORRECT ME ON ANY OF THE BELOW: Conditions:
Keep in mind, for the airline boys and girls before looking at the salaries, take note that, unlike at an airline, you arrive/leave between one and a half hours up to two hours before & after a flight on private jets. Sometimes 3 hours after a flight if flying the Global. Why? Well, you need to check up on the catering (has it arrived, is it the correct catering), put the covers on / take them off, put in/remove the pins, clean the cabin, sort out the beds, vacuum, polish the wood (not your wood), polish the stairs, sort out the laundry, refill the water yourself, load your own bags, load the passengers' bags when they arrive, download maintenance information on the company laptop to be uploaded to the outlying technicians, download flight data reports directly from the aircraft and upload it to the safety department, download and then upload the latest FMS cycles, charts for the plane and iPads - do it again if it didn’t work the first time (takes 40 minutes), put the engine covers on in winter / desert ops, remove all the alcohol in winter so it doesn’t freeze overnight, check the engine oil, and if need be, get on the ladder, top up the oil yourself, and if in doing so, you ruin your shirt, ask Vista for a new one but pay for it if it hasn’t been 2 years already. That’s just some of the things I can recall from the Vista crew. Also, don’t forget on your 36-hour rest period, you will go shopping to restock the plane with things like Coca-Cola, run around trying to find very specific wines, polish, wet wipes, etc. Captains:
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Mate, I really take exception to 4 and 5. You'll be doing a lot of damage by saying it, especially when my experience says it's not true, The people that work in the cabin are largely great and extremely hard working. They look after the flight deck and always make sure they're fed and watered to the best of their ability.
There's a few that aren't but 99 out of 100 are amazing and reading that their colleagues are saying that on a public forum would be hugely hurtful and unfair. |
No worries, it's been removed if it offends. It was a common complaint, but I stand corrected if that's wrong.
Is anything else, not quite up to par there? These are points gathered after the odd night or two, in the same hotel as Vista over a beer. So there's a strong chance what I was told is over the top, hence the request for Vista people to correct this, or the beer brought out what the crew really felt about the company, you tell me? :8 |
Nah everything there is about right and pretty much sums up why I left 😂. You do have to spend hours preparing the aircraft though and always help clean and polish the cabin at the end of the day.
The cabin crew guys get treated like slaves, FTLs are kind of maintained for them only in so far as it’s convenient. Those 2 hours before and 2 hours at the start and end of the day, they’re magically 45 mins and 30 mins in the books when it comes to FTLs. A max duty on the global is 18 hours but add another 4 on for what you’ll actually work and take 4 off from the following rest period. |
What really surprises me is how training and travel in your off days is accepted.
That sh1t can’t be legal and it will take another crash before the investigation board will kick down the open door and say that’s not ok. Why do CAAs and work inspections not investigate and ban/fine these practices before? Not to forget this is forged competition in the market. |
Does Vista at least offer Productive Pay like Netjets, or Block Hour & Sector pay like most other companies of a similar size?
So you pay for your hotels, that's normal in a corporate environment, bloody annoying by the sounds of things. Do you can at least get air miles such as Avion points on the company card when paying for things. I've heard of other companies doing that? |
What happened to the massive new post about VJ published yesterday? Was it too honest and had to be taken down by moderator or on request by VJ management?
-----Disregard comment. It came back again. |
It must be said
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Originally Posted by Setting
(Post 11483695)
What happened to the massive new post about VJ published yesterday? Was it too honest and had to be taken down by moderator or on request by VJ management?
-----Disregard comment. It came back again. |
Originally Posted by Setting
(Post 11483695)
What happened to the massive new post about VJ published yesterday? Was it too honest and had to be taken down by moderator or on request by VJ management?
-----Disregard comment. It came back again.
Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!
(Post 11483913)
It is gone again, at least I cannot see it. Is VJ management threatening PPRUNE? Well, we got a full copy of the post. If anyone is interested, I can provide it by private message.
Nothing to do with VJ, PPRuNE or the Full Moon 🤔😂 |
Originally Posted by Senior Pilot
(Post 11483943)
When the pair of you have had enough of conspiracy theories, it was deleted by the OP (Original Poster).
Nothing to do with VJ, PPRuNE or the Full Moon 🤔😂 |
Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!
(Post 11483955)
If you say so! Probably some pressure was put on the OP and he removed it. Most of the content was quite accurate from what I hear from former VJ-crew.
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Originally Posted by Boabity
(Post 11483980)
it wasn’t miles off a few things weren’t right. Clearly a tired and bitter employee who has probably had a decent sleep and thought better of it in case it got back.
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!
(Post 11484046)
Well, I wondered when he wrote that he was a VJ-pilot for nearly decade. If it sooooooo bad, why hasn't he left? Maybe he has and that's why he wrote the text? I hope for him that he has found a better employer, quite a few VJ-colleagues are now with us, especially FAs.
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!
(Post 11484046)
Well, I wondered when he wrote that he was a VJ-pilot for nearly decade. If it sooooooo bad, why hasn't he left? Maybe he has and that's why he wrote the text? I hope for him that he has found a better employer, quite a few VJ-colleagues are now with us, especially FAs.
You still have to find the right job, that allows you to be settled with family. Most private operations are looking for people rated on a specific type who're willing to relocate and be permanently available or work 2 months on 1 month off (or some other arrangement that is 2on:1off, get no holiday, train in your off time and also be responsible for the whole show. Combined with the constant threat of losing your job because owner doesn't like you any more/owner has been caught by the authorities/owner has replaced the plane/you had to say no to something they don't agree with and while VJs attitude to fatigue and FTLs are famously iffy - there's heaps of other charter operations that are as bad if not worse. It's not as simple as TF is famously quoted as telling the crew "if you don't like it you can leave", the folks there still have to put food on the table. All that being said, knowing how hard they work for how little compensation vs outside, the equation ain't balanced and it's very surprising that more people don't jump off the train. I'm quite certain that both Flexjet and NJE have had a large number of enquiries from VJ employees, so I have to wonder why so few are hired. |
Well, the market for biz jobs has been wide open for the last 24 months. Airlines are hiring like crazy as well. Maybe even relocate to the US and take up a job there (employers will apply for your Green Card). Of course VJ is not at the bottom of the list of operators, I think we are all well aware of all the cowboy outfits.
From what I have heard, many VJ crew failed at the simulator screening stage. Don't ask me why or what exactly, I do not know any details. Maybe some candidates can shed some light on this. I do hope that VJ can stabilize and get onto the right track, so their crew can also finally benefit for their hard work. I personally would not be able to do that roster and all those longhaul flights. |
Originally Posted by Thioda
(Post 11472819)
What really surprises me is how training and travel in your off days is accepted.
That sh1t can’t be legal and it will take another crash before the investigation board will kick down the open door and say that’s not ok. Why do CAAs and work inspections not investigate and ban/fine these practices before? Not to forget this is forged competition in the market. You are not training and travelling on your days off. Those are work days as per your contract, and if you add up the number of days you work in a year on this arrangement it is less than the number worked by someone with a full time job. Which makes it hard for people with a full time job to sympathise. |
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Originally Posted by ATOguy
(Post 11486179)
I have no time for VJ as an employer, they are in the same category as Ryanair and I would never consider working for them. But you don’t do your argument any favours by coming out with nonsense like this.
You are not training and travelling on your days off. Those are work days as per your contract, and if you add up the number of days you work in a year on this arrangement it is less than the number worked by someone with a full time job. Which makes it hard for people with a full time job to sympathise. How many days are VJ crews gone in total on average? 19 a month including training etc? That's 456 hours. How does that compare to a full time employee with an 8 hour day? Who is more hours away from home even if you ad commuting time? |
Originally Posted by ATOguy
(Post 11486179)
I have no time for VJ as an employer, they are in the same category as Ryanair and I would never consider working for them. But you don’t do your argument any favours by coming out with nonsense like this.
You are not training and travelling on your days off. Those are work days as per your contract, and if you add up the number of days you work in a year on this arrangement it is less than the number worked by someone with a full time job. Which makes it hard for people with a full time job to sympathise. |
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