Jet Air Flug/Imperial Jet
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The news of 605 and learjets are not new at all..this has been the scenario for years.."we're getting new aircraft" and "13 aircraft will be delivered at the begining of xxx"..Illusion so far..
The 605 was supposed to be delivered in April as they claimed, let's wait and see..
The 605 was supposed to be delivered in April as they claimed, let's wait and see..
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A couple of days ago I spoke to a high ranking manager at the Beirut airport. Apparently it is true that they are no longer allowed to land in Beirut due to gross inconsistencies with their AOC. The office in Beirut was thus closed.
They then continued on their German AOC which didn’t last very long either, since the Europeans clamped down on them as well.
Apparently the company has been shut down or at best substantially reduced in size.
They then continued on their German AOC which didn’t last very long either, since the Europeans clamped down on them as well.
Apparently the company has been shut down or at best substantially reduced in size.
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Jetair and the LBA
Dear all
May i raise the following questions?
Why the german LBA is not supervising the company as it should be?
Here are some facts:
1. Accountable Manager is ruling the company out of Lebanon instead of being presence in germany.
2. Deputy CEO is an ex lawyer who misappropriated clients funds and lost his approval as lawyer. Just google for Mr. Estenf…..
3. Postholders changing every 6 months and the PH MX is not vacant for months.
4. All decisions and rules are made by people ex Lebanon without any influence from the german guys.
5. Crews are pressured to operate aircrafts who are technically AOG without doubt.
This is just a short break up but I am sure here in the UK the ops would be suspended over night.
May i raise the following questions?
Why the german LBA is not supervising the company as it should be?
Here are some facts:
1. Accountable Manager is ruling the company out of Lebanon instead of being presence in germany.
2. Deputy CEO is an ex lawyer who misappropriated clients funds and lost his approval as lawyer. Just google for Mr. Estenf…..
3. Postholders changing every 6 months and the PH MX is not vacant for months.
4. All decisions and rules are made by people ex Lebanon without any influence from the german guys.
5. Crews are pressured to operate aircrafts who are technically AOG without doubt.
This is just a short break up but I am sure here in the UK the ops would be suspended over night.
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Finally Gone.....
Jet Air Flug finally lost their AOC today...........it's a terrible shame for all the good people that worked for the company, I wish them all the best for the future!!
As for the (mis)management team........stay away from aviation for the good of everyone else!!
PS Perhaps the lawyes and polices will be at their doors now!!
As for the (mis)management team........stay away from aviation for the good of everyone else!!
PS Perhaps the lawyes and polices will be at their doors now!!
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They will continue flying illegally as they did for years, but now under the excuse of operating private. They used to do commercial flights in the past and claim it is private when they face troubles with aircraft performance , runway analysis, crew duty times,... At least their reputation is well spread by now.
@ Havanna, don't mess your head with trying to understand recruiting policies at Jet Air and Imperial Jet, simply you will never get it..
@ Havanna, don't mess your head with trying to understand recruiting policies at Jet Air and Imperial Jet, simply you will never get it..
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nothing wrong
Well, one of their sales just replied to me saying they have no problems with their AOC. The only issues they admit having is obtaining permits with short notice...
Can someone give further comments?
Can someone give further comments?
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I think they had a flight ban but now the LBA are allowing the flight again. Problem is the postholders cant stay there long, already 5 or 6 in one year.
The main issue is the monkey in charge, he is trying to support us on the AOC but keeps getting controled by the bigger monkeys in Beirut, no tire checks on the lear 60s, no flight times respected, Challenger 604 flying way outside the LBA allowed region, it is all a nightmare. No one gets paid the full amlunt asked for and the guys in accounts in lebanon just ignore you.
DONT FLY AND NOT GET PAIDS LIKE I DID.
they screw the owners, they screw the pilots, the lie all the time, and eventually the ending is coming thier way - and they know it.
everyone knows the end is here for Imperial, everystep forward is pushed by two steps back for lies, lies, lies, and always promises of money..
This company is about a lies, and false promises. The LBA are looking so hard at this company, is you see breaking the law them report them!
The exist by luck, lies, and stolen dollars they dont have!
DONT FLY BEFORE GETTING PAID - you will never see it!
Happy landings guys!
Ciao from LFPB
on an aircraft that DOES PAY (and on time)
watch out for the Munich monkey!
The main issue is the monkey in charge, he is trying to support us on the AOC but keeps getting controled by the bigger monkeys in Beirut, no tire checks on the lear 60s, no flight times respected, Challenger 604 flying way outside the LBA allowed region, it is all a nightmare. No one gets paid the full amlunt asked for and the guys in accounts in lebanon just ignore you.
DONT FLY AND NOT GET PAIDS LIKE I DID.
they screw the owners, they screw the pilots, the lie all the time, and eventually the ending is coming thier way - and they know it.
everyone knows the end is here for Imperial, everystep forward is pushed by two steps back for lies, lies, lies, and always promises of money..
This company is about a lies, and false promises. The LBA are looking so hard at this company, is you see breaking the law them report them!
The exist by luck, lies, and stolen dollars they dont have!
DONT FLY BEFORE GETTING PAID - you will never see it!
Happy landings guys!
Ciao from LFPB
on an aircraft that DOES PAY (and on time)watch out for the Munich monkey!
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Who are you referring to as the Munich Monkey !!!
I thought there was more than one Ape or should I say Baboon out there
Rgds
Mav
I thought there was more than one Ape or should I say Baboon out there
Rgds
Mav
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They might be around for a bit longer. I used to fly for them back in 2008. The stories back then were the same as today and they are still around.
When the LBA wanted to inspect their 60XR, the Beirut “monkey” at the time actually overshot the runway in Braunschweig, where the LBA has its head office.
The only thing the LBA did, revoke the pilot license of the “monkey”. Nothing happened to the company.
I am surprised to read how many people wish the demise of Imperial, but yet they always seem to find people eager to fly for them.
When the LBA wanted to inspect their 60XR, the Beirut “monkey” at the time actually overshot the runway in Braunschweig, where the LBA has its head office.
The only thing the LBA did, revoke the pilot license of the “monkey”. Nothing happened to the company.
I am surprised to read how many people wish the demise of Imperial, but yet they always seem to find people eager to fly for them.
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I agree. Although maybe harsh at first in the expression of my anger towards the way they treat people, I am in agreement that time and time again they seem to find people who fly for them.
but it is always the same, and no one can deny this, it is a German company that is really controlled from Beirut not Germany at all, it has a shocking turnovers of staffs, flying, office, and all eventually finds out lies they tell.
We all now of that pilot that crashed thier Lear 60XR infornt of the LBA and nows he is a Captain with them, flying cusotmers around! OMG!
Whether I am banned for a while or not, the truth is this companz lies, and soon all that will be left is the truth - it is running out of time, money, and using owners of aircrfat to keep it going, and more and mores peoples nows this now - the time is running out.
Martin may come on to defend certain items, but all the people who have lefts, court cases with staff is just amazings, I think Martin Speigl can get some more credit by writting on here, but the posts last a long time in his name and it is always stuck with Imperial Jet and Jet Air - for sure the person writting for him doesnt want to publish his name on here - or does he?
there is lots of people who are hurt, and lots of people who are run under pressure and lies in this business of Imperial Jets and every person in the industry feels for them - good luck guys get out soon!
but it is always the same, and no one can deny this, it is a German company that is really controlled from Beirut not Germany at all, it has a shocking turnovers of staffs, flying, office, and all eventually finds out lies they tell.
We all now of that pilot that crashed thier Lear 60XR infornt of the LBA and nows he is a Captain with them, flying cusotmers around! OMG!
Whether I am banned for a while or not, the truth is this companz lies, and soon all that will be left is the truth - it is running out of time, money, and using owners of aircrfat to keep it going, and more and mores peoples nows this now - the time is running out.
Martin may come on to defend certain items, but all the people who have lefts, court cases with staff is just amazings, I think Martin Speigl can get some more credit by writting on here, but the posts last a long time in his name and it is always stuck with Imperial Jet and Jet Air - for sure the person writting for him doesnt want to publish his name on here - or does he?
there is lots of people who are hurt, and lots of people who are run under pressure and lies in this business of Imperial Jets and every person in the industry feels for them - good luck guys get out soon!
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I spoke with a manager at the Beirut airport. He told me that Imperial/JetFlug aircraft will not receive permission to land in Beirut.
This is amazing since Lebanese will support other Lebanese. Why not in this case? Something quite significant must’ve occurred for such a denial of service.
This is amazing since Lebanese will support other Lebanese. Why not in this case? Something quite significant must’ve occurred for such a denial of service.
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Gentlemen, as long as the lba is accepting that the accountable is not in the office for weeks because of tax reason... 181 days out of germany due to taxation ... And again all postholders except the ph mx resigened recently it is a joke having an aoc!
So again, all ph changed or not vacant!
By the way the money which you mentioned came most of the country which is just looking for his ex leader living in tents during state visits!
Lets see what happening now?
It s a shame for the german authorities not be able to close the aoc even the lebanese authorities have been acting!
Anyway it will be interesting what happening soon..
So again, all ph changed or not vacant!
By the way the money which you mentioned came most of the country which is just looking for his ex leader living in tents during state visits!
Lets see what happening now?
It s a shame for the german authorities not be able to close the aoc even the lebanese authorities have been acting!
Anyway it will be interesting what happening soon..
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Havana is correct, it is true that Lebanon has shut down Imperial Jet but the LBA dont take action on Jet Air. The company is out of money, there is little left, and soon out of important staff. The Accountable Manager is out the country and most of the time in Beirut. Yesterday my work colleague told me that Imperial Jet was in the newspapers, as the minister of transport has shut down three companies and Imperial Jet where one of them. Jet Air is on the 5th or 6th PCA in last 12 months - the head of Training has left, and is on last days workings ands the LBA know there is no Ground ops Manager. it has to be over soon surely - people are all leaving to a company ex dorector of flight ope, Thomas Schaible has set up! pilots are going, and fasts, managers leavings, and soon no one is left! it will be over soon for sures...
it will be over soon for sures...
