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Mr Crowther's progress
AvTech have called in the liquidators on 2 November 2011, if you are owed money by this Company contact;-
Seneca Insolvency Practitioners,
Speedwell Mill,
Old Coach Road,
Tansley,
Matlock,
DE4 5FY.
Good luck.
om15
Seneca Insolvency Practitioners,
Speedwell Mill,
Old Coach Road,
Tansley,
Matlock,
DE4 5FY.
Good luck.
om15
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Om15, you was right.
Avtech shares on Warsaw stock exchange was holded on 14.11.2011
I am a Polish avtech shareholder.
Probably i must to say my money bye bye.
Look photos from Polish stock exchange from avyech debiut:
Archiwum informacji
Michael Unwin was laying
Clown
Regards,
starhaze
Avtech shares on Warsaw stock exchange was holded on 14.11.2011
I am a Polish avtech shareholder.
Probably i must to say my money bye bye.
Look photos from Polish stock exchange from avyech debiut:
Archiwum informacji
Michael Unwin was laying
Clown
Regards,
starhaze
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Indeed,
Thanks for the impressive photographs of the beaming pair, who would have thought it would end up like this?
The same people are starting up again (3rd time) at Biggin Hill, anyone for shares?
BR om15
Thanks for the impressive photographs of the beaming pair, who would have thought it would end up like this?
The same people are starting up again (3rd time) at Biggin Hill, anyone for shares?
BR om15
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Mr Paul Crowther
The same people are starting up again (3rd time) at Biggin Hill, anyone for shares?
How about Avtech and our PC? What is The Christine Margaret Crowther Trust?
Thanks in advance.
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avtech
http://www.avtechaviation.co.uk/ was closed
Hey guys Time to start new business
Avtech's Information Document was prepared June 2011 an there is no word
about Wind-up petition on 18 may 2011 and that avtech is in Company Voluntary Arrangement state. see report from 20/06/2011
in Insolvency history from
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company no 06925650
Polish Authorised Adviser GOA done nothing to check this and signed under Information Document.
Hey guys Time to start new business
Avtech's Information Document was prepared June 2011 an there is no word
about Wind-up petition on 18 may 2011 and that avtech is in Company Voluntary Arrangement state. see report from 20/06/2011
in Insolvency history from
WebCHeck - Select and Access Company Information
company no 06925650
Polish Authorised Adviser GOA done nothing to check this and signed under Information Document.
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Is
https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome
a good place to sue PC ?
some other good idea
my loss is about 1000GPB
but there are more losers like me, witch i have a contact.
https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome
a good place to sue PC ?
some other good idea
my loss is about 1000GPB
but there are more losers like me, witch i have a contact.
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Previous Owner Before Crowther
HBOS business loans: Eight charged
Eight people have been charged in connection with business loans made through a high street bank to the value of about £35m.
The loans came from the Halifax Bank of Scotland (HBOS) branch at Beauclerc House in Queens Road, Reading.
Among those charged are former senior managers at HBOS, Lynden Scourfield, 50, and Mark Dobson, 52.
Thames Valley Police said the charges follow a large-scale investigation into corruption, fraud and money laundering.
Wives charged
David Mills, 56, and Michael Bancroft, 69, of Quayside Corporate Services, a turnaround consultancy have also been charged, along with a fifth man, John Cartwright, 68.
The other defendants are three of the men's wives, Jacqueline Scourfield, 50, Alison Mills, 47, and Beverley Bancroft, 64.
The charges follows an investigation carried out by Thames Valley Police's Economic Crime Unit (ECU), after the case was referred to the force by the Financial Services Authority (FSA).
The alleged offences originated from HBOS's Impaired Assets team based at the Reading branch.
Mr Scourfield and Mr Dobson were senior managers based at Reading and Bishopsgate, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said.
All eight will appear before Reading Magistrates' Court on 18 January.
Lynden Scourfield, of Whitton Avenue West, Greenford, West London, is charged with one count of conspiracy to corrupt, three counts of fraudulent trading and one count of money laundering.
Mark Dobson, of Brayfield Terrace, London, is charged with one count of conspiracy to corrupt.
David Mills, of Todenham, Moreton-in-Marsh, Gloucestershire, is charged with one count of conspiracy to corrupt, three counts of fraudulent trading and one count of money laundering.
Michael Bancroft, of Ilmington, of Ilmington, Shipston-on-Stour, Warwickshire, is charged with one count of conspiracy to corrupt, three counts of fraudulent trading and one count of money laundering.
John Cartwright, 68, of Knott Lane, Hyde, Cheshire, is charged with one count of fraudulent trading.
Jacqueline Scourfield, Alison Mills and Beverley Bancroft are each charged with one count of money laundering.
Eight people have been charged in connection with business loans made through a high street bank to the value of about £35m.
The loans came from the Halifax Bank of Scotland (HBOS) branch at Beauclerc House in Queens Road, Reading.
Among those charged are former senior managers at HBOS, Lynden Scourfield, 50, and Mark Dobson, 52.
Thames Valley Police said the charges follow a large-scale investigation into corruption, fraud and money laundering.
Wives charged
David Mills, 56, and Michael Bancroft, 69, of Quayside Corporate Services, a turnaround consultancy have also been charged, along with a fifth man, John Cartwright, 68.
The other defendants are three of the men's wives, Jacqueline Scourfield, 50, Alison Mills, 47, and Beverley Bancroft, 64.
The charges follows an investigation carried out by Thames Valley Police's Economic Crime Unit (ECU), after the case was referred to the force by the Financial Services Authority (FSA).
The alleged offences originated from HBOS's Impaired Assets team based at the Reading branch.
Mr Scourfield and Mr Dobson were senior managers based at Reading and Bishopsgate, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said.
All eight will appear before Reading Magistrates' Court on 18 January.
Lynden Scourfield, of Whitton Avenue West, Greenford, West London, is charged with one count of conspiracy to corrupt, three counts of fraudulent trading and one count of money laundering.
Mark Dobson, of Brayfield Terrace, London, is charged with one count of conspiracy to corrupt.
David Mills, of Todenham, Moreton-in-Marsh, Gloucestershire, is charged with one count of conspiracy to corrupt, three counts of fraudulent trading and one count of money laundering.
Michael Bancroft, of Ilmington, of Ilmington, Shipston-on-Stour, Warwickshire, is charged with one count of conspiracy to corrupt, three counts of fraudulent trading and one count of money laundering.
John Cartwright, 68, of Knott Lane, Hyde, Cheshire, is charged with one count of fraudulent trading.
Jacqueline Scourfield, Alison Mills and Beverley Bancroft are each charged with one count of money laundering.
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Thought there had been a policy change at Pprune where things like this cannot be discussed anymore?
GoldenEaglePilot / David Henderson/ Kevin Crellin is taboo so presume the same with any such threads this included ?
Pace
GoldenEaglePilot / David Henderson/ Kevin Crellin is taboo so presume the same with any such threads this included ?
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This is a matter of industry interest, is a confirmed notice from the Serious Fraud Office, Courts and internationally recognised news outlets and forms more concrete information than circumspect and rumour.
The fact that the practices cost a great deal of people and companies pain suffering and a lot of money makes this an extremely valid post.
I dont know if you or a firm you worked for was personally affected or caught up in this mess however the above stands as welcome news to a lot of people I would imagine who had their lives/companies/livelihoods tipped upside down by these actions.
I find your comment on my post not really conducive to the reason this site/thread exists.
The fact that the practices cost a great deal of people and companies pain suffering and a lot of money makes this an extremely valid post.
I dont know if you or a firm you worked for was personally affected or caught up in this mess however the above stands as welcome news to a lot of people I would imagine who had their lives/companies/livelihoods tipped upside down by these actions.
I find your comment on my post not really conducive to the reason this site/thread exists.
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GoldenEaglePilot / David Henderson/ Kevin Crellin is taboo so presume the same with any such threads this included ?
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PC bought the screwed up remnants of Club328 for £1 I believe.
I cant and wont say he was privy nor party to the Mills saga. Perversely he could well be a 'victim' of this also but this is where it pays to do your diligence.
As far as I am concerned they are all as bad as one another, just for different reasons.
I cant and wont say he was privy nor party to the Mills saga. Perversely he could well be a 'victim' of this also but this is where it pays to do your diligence.
As far as I am concerned they are all as bad as one another, just for different reasons.
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PC bought the screwed up remnants of Club328 for £1 I believe.
I cant and wont say he was privy nor party to the Mills saga. Perversely he could well be a 'victim' of this also but this is where it pays to do your diligence.
As far as I am concerned they are all as bad as one another, just for different reasons.
But by posting this under this thread you are by insinuation implying that the two are connected?
Otherwise you would place this info under a separate thread heading with no implication of PC ? Unless of course you have solid evidence of that connection?
Pace
I cant and wont say he was privy nor party to the Mills saga. Perversely he could well be a 'victim' of this also but this is where it pays to do your diligence.
As far as I am concerned they are all as bad as one another, just for different reasons.
But by posting this under this thread you are by insinuation implying that the two are connected?
Otherwise you would place this info under a separate thread heading with no implication of PC ? Unless of course you have solid evidence of that connection?
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OK Pace,
Club328 was still Club328 when Crowther bought it, missing assets, cooked books, liabilities and all so on a very high level yes the 2 are connected if through nothing else then transferred ownership but also there are references to Club328 and others within this thread.
Just for clarity the story I posted implicated persons dealing with a company that Paul Crowther bought so again on a very high level yes the 2 are again connected.
I exonerated PC with my statement so am in no way linking him with the 8 persons charged, nor in this case with any wrong doing with Club328 and actually stated that he was consequently a victim of this regardless of what then transpired at Plane Chartering and Club328 as one company.
I am a little lost as to your pedantic attitude which as for my original post was a statement of fact against a company that Direct Fly and Paul Crowther owned and therefore the relevance to this thread.
Kind of have better things to do rather than state the obvious however with your stance you do seem very defensive of the persons in question, most of whom wouldn't give them the steam off their p1ss myself included.
Club328 was still Club328 when Crowther bought it, missing assets, cooked books, liabilities and all so on a very high level yes the 2 are connected if through nothing else then transferred ownership but also there are references to Club328 and others within this thread.
Just for clarity the story I posted implicated persons dealing with a company that Paul Crowther bought so again on a very high level yes the 2 are again connected.
I exonerated PC with my statement so am in no way linking him with the 8 persons charged, nor in this case with any wrong doing with Club328 and actually stated that he was consequently a victim of this regardless of what then transpired at Plane Chartering and Club328 as one company.
I am a little lost as to your pedantic attitude which as for my original post was a statement of fact against a company that Direct Fly and Paul Crowther owned and therefore the relevance to this thread.
Kind of have better things to do rather than state the obvious however with your stance you do seem very defensive of the persons in question, most of whom wouldn't give them the steam off their p1ss myself included.
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Sorry Tequilla boy, I'm with Pace here.
You seem to have very little knowledge about how things work in the corporate world. This based on your broad brush statements.
Failing companies are often left to die, or sometimes sold for a £1 to the guy who thinks he can turn it around. If structured correctly, it's a shot to nothing for the new incumbent.
Would you risk your home, family savings etc...on a failing business? - No, I would hope you wouldn't.....and nor would PC I'm sure. So why all the poison for someone who at least gave it go?
It didn't work, and everyone moved on.....get over it, everyone else has moved on now.
You seem to have very little knowledge about how things work in the corporate world. This based on your broad brush statements.
Failing companies are often left to die, or sometimes sold for a £1 to the guy who thinks he can turn it around. If structured correctly, it's a shot to nothing for the new incumbent.
Would you risk your home, family savings etc...on a failing business? - No, I would hope you wouldn't.....and nor would PC I'm sure. So why all the poison for someone who at least gave it go?
It didn't work, and everyone moved on.....get over it, everyone else has moved on now.
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Just to make it clear I have no interest in PC or the thread as such other than to point out that any posts on GoldenEaglePilot are deleted with the explanation that a change of policy means that such matters cannot anymore be discussed!
Hence my surprise that this thread goes on!
No doubt even this post will go for mentioning the dreaded name of GEP.
Pace
Hence my surprise that this thread goes on!
No doubt even this post will go for mentioning the dreaded name of GEP.
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In the interest of feeling I was actually posting something of relevance and pertinent to some of the many people short changed in one way or another through the debacles of Plane Chartering and Club328 and subsequently being lambasted I am a little bored of having to defend what I did.
Flynowpaylater - I would imagine some more egotistical would throw their toys out of the pram based on your critique however it gave me a smile this morning, a well needed one. I have no need to defend myself nor my acumen as persons that know me will attest.
My statements are far from broad and are summarisation off the extremely well documented events on this thread and others. I understand how turnaround companies work and it was actually for manipulation of this process the original issues with 328 came to bear.
I would hardly say my comment was poisonous based on simply this case and maybe it was based on other matters of which I had not alluded to? It does however have to be stated that for 'giving it a go' based on operating a little, low spec charter fleet and taking on a larger firm carrying a bank balance of -£80m before even looking at a balance sheet smacks of stupidity no matter how blue sky the thinking? And you question my knowledge of business!
PACE - Fair point. Understood. Think we may have been commenting on different planes and understand the point you are making.
I trust I have made my point and intention clear without going as far as to insult anyones intelligence unlike others. I am entitled to my opinion and have like I said only stated fact and reference very well documented posts.
Flynowpaylater - I would imagine some more egotistical would throw their toys out of the pram based on your critique however it gave me a smile this morning, a well needed one. I have no need to defend myself nor my acumen as persons that know me will attest.
My statements are far from broad and are summarisation off the extremely well documented events on this thread and others. I understand how turnaround companies work and it was actually for manipulation of this process the original issues with 328 came to bear.
I would hardly say my comment was poisonous based on simply this case and maybe it was based on other matters of which I had not alluded to? It does however have to be stated that for 'giving it a go' based on operating a little, low spec charter fleet and taking on a larger firm carrying a bank balance of -£80m before even looking at a balance sheet smacks of stupidity no matter how blue sky the thinking? And you question my knowledge of business!
PACE - Fair point. Understood. Think we may have been commenting on different planes and understand the point you are making.
I trust I have made my point and intention clear without going as far as to insult anyones intelligence unlike others. I am entitled to my opinion and have like I said only stated fact and reference very well documented posts.
