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Not exactly sure in what way it was good while it lasted really.
It built up the hopes of a lot of people who were out of work with a business plan that was never going to succeed in this, or arguably any, market without a starting fleet of upwards of 40 aircraft.
I just hope the investors get all their money back otherwise it's yet another bad story about investing in business aviation, which won't help anybody at all.
It built up the hopes of a lot of people who were out of work with a business plan that was never going to succeed in this, or arguably any, market without a starting fleet of upwards of 40 aircraft.
I just hope the investors get all their money back otherwise it's yet another bad story about investing in business aviation, which won't help anybody at all.
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Jetbird Situation
Good evening to you all.
Have just found a post on a Spanish Pilot Forum by a gentleman who apparently completed training with Jetbird.
I include a direct copy of his original post with a translation.
JETBIRD ha quebrado en Irlanda
Malas noticias. Otra iniciativa cancelada. JetBird se ha quedado sin sus aviones en la fabrica brasileña ( Embraer Phenom 100) los empleados de JB no cobran, me incluyo,
por falta de fondos, y estan siendo reconfigurados para el mercado americano los 4 Emb500.
Estuve haciendo el curso de cmdte para ellos en Dallas
el pasado mes de Octubre. Creo que soy el primer y unico español con ht del avion, pero de poco me va a servir.
Slds
JETBIRD has gone bust in Ireland.
Bad News. Another failed initiative. Jetbird has been left without its aircraft in the Brazilian factory (Embraer Phenom 100) the employees of JB won´t receive payment, I include myself, for lack of funding, and the 4 Emb 500 are being reconfigured for the American market.
I was on the Captains course for them in Dallas last October. I believe that I am the first and only Spaniard with this type rating, although that´s not much use to me now.
Regards.
This post can be found on the Spanish forum site. extracrew.com
Sorry for those who had such high expectations.
We all hope for better times.
Have just found a post on a Spanish Pilot Forum by a gentleman who apparently completed training with Jetbird.
I include a direct copy of his original post with a translation.
JETBIRD ha quebrado en Irlanda
Malas noticias. Otra iniciativa cancelada. JetBird se ha quedado sin sus aviones en la fabrica brasileña ( Embraer Phenom 100) los empleados de JB no cobran, me incluyo,
por falta de fondos, y estan siendo reconfigurados para el mercado americano los 4 Emb500.
Estuve haciendo el curso de cmdte para ellos en Dallas
el pasado mes de Octubre. Creo que soy el primer y unico español con ht del avion, pero de poco me va a servir.
Slds
JETBIRD has gone bust in Ireland.
Bad News. Another failed initiative. Jetbird has been left without its aircraft in the Brazilian factory (Embraer Phenom 100) the employees of JB won´t receive payment, I include myself, for lack of funding, and the 4 Emb 500 are being reconfigured for the American market.
I was on the Captains course for them in Dallas last October. I believe that I am the first and only Spaniard with this type rating, although that´s not much use to me now.
Regards.
This post can be found on the Spanish forum site. extracrew.com
Sorry for those who had such high expectations.
We all hope for better times.
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Like I said before: It aint over till the Fat lady sings:
From AIN online just now....
Embraer is renegotiating its contract with JetBird after the European air-taxi startup encountered financing difficulties that resulted in a third delay in initial deliveries of 59 Phenom 100s. “The JetBird deliveries did not start yet and Embraer is currently negotiating a new agreement that will allow the deliveries to start as soon as possible,” said the Brazilian airframer’s director of contracts, Sergio Ricardo Borges Frias, following last week’s confirmation by JetBird that it might have to lay off at least 10 percent of its 40 staff.
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Perhaps we should all remember that (in the nicest possible way!) Journalists are pretty lazy and if you put out a press release they'll print it regardless of whether it's true or not. They might add an "alledgedly" or a "claim".
Just because it's in AIN doesn't mean it's fact that been thoroughly researched by them.
Embraer won't be keen to state that they've lost orders; but I have it on excellent authority that there's no more funding available.
All I can hear is Deborah Voigt giving it some wellie...
Just because it's in AIN doesn't mean it's fact that been thoroughly researched by them.
Embraer won't be keen to state that they've lost orders; but I have it on excellent authority that there's no more funding available.
All I can hear is Deborah Voigt giving it some wellie...
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Until you hear it from JetBird themselves, don't believe much of what is written here. I also have it on good authority that negotiations are still taking place...it definately 'aint over until the fat lady sings.'
Sorry...I just couldn't resist!
Sorry...I just couldn't resist!
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This place is called "Rumour Network" for a reason.
As previous thread stated, let's wait and see for official statement from JB.
The good thing is, stock exchange world over are on a rising trend, and more environmental friendly jets are the future.
I personally think JB has a good concept, who know's, JB might work.
As previous thread stated, let's wait and see for official statement from JB.
The good thing is, stock exchange world over are on a rising trend, and more environmental friendly jets are the future.
I personally think JB has a good concept, who know's, JB might work.
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maybe work, of course, but so far not working...
As I said, the 4 phenom were sitting here at SJK went bak to production line..will be delivered to other customers in US...
Let's see the next chapter...
As I said, the 4 phenom were sitting here at SJK went bak to production line..will be delivered to other customers in US...
Let's see the next chapter...
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The good thing is, stock exchange world over are on a rising trend, and more environmental friendly jets are the future.
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Can't judge if the fat lady has sung already @ Jetbird, but speaking of turboprops as the future there sure is a new German lady preparing for her stage debut: roxair. This company has some charts on there website, comparing themselves to Jetbird and Blink. So I guess there's always another try, another actor, the air taxi show goes on... . (keep in mind there is another thread in this forum about roxair).
. (keep in mind there is another thread in this forum about roxair).
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You're in Dubai - look out the window at the ramp and count the turbo-props. Right, that didnt take long, now count the jets.
How many turbo-props do Netjets operate?
The VLJ concept is new and timing has been bad with a global recession. Ask the same question in a year or two.
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I don't hate VLJs at all. Phenoms and Mustangs are excellent machines as long as they operate in the conditions they've been designed for. Operating a Mustang (or another VLJ) in Dubai is totally insane in terms of performance and safety. Luring local customers with ISA performances is dishonest and will have a very negative impact on the industry.
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I have never had any faith in this venture but do have faith in AIN and it makes sense too that the manufacturer tries to get the customer to take any aircraft.... Also the leasing wizzkid who wants to change the world has one area he should be good in: getting funding. 
So it aint over till it's over
(Will never make any money though
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So it aint over till it's over
(Will never make any money though
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Don't worry. There will be another company in the coming months telling us the same line of crap about VLJs and how they will revolutionize business travel. Although, flying in a small sardine can and having to use an empty coffee mug to piss into are definately two fresh innovations in the world of business travel!
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Although, flying in a small sardine can and having to use an empty coffee mug to piss into are definately two fresh innovations in the world of business travel!
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TBM and PC12 cannot be used commercially in many parts of the world due to being single engined. They also fly slower and in the weather. (and dont carry the same status as a jet)
On a 600 Nm leg:
***************** TBM850 **** Mustang **** Phenom **** Avanti II
Flight time ********** 1h59 ******* 1h56 ****** 1h50 ****** 1h44
Fuel used (lbs) ******* 900 ******* 1132 ******* 1248 ****** 1144
Specific range ******* 0.667 ****** 0.530 ****** 0.481 ****** 0.524
The Phenom will only save you 7.5% of flight time compared to the TBM while it will burn 38% more of fuel. Since the VLJ economical model is based on cost-efficiency it's easy to understand why people using TBMs will not move to VLJs if it takes 38% more of fuel to save 9 mins... while they could choose to use a more roomy Avanti which will save fuel and time with more passengers. On which commercial segment are VLJs supposed to bring added value?
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No need to be agressive, I've never said SET were widely commercially used. I'm just sharing some numbers which speaks for themselves since they can be used on fractional ops.
As of today people are less caring about the shiny jet status than the value for money. The recent 26% increase in fractional turboprop ops while light jets are falling down 21% (ARG/US) also speaks for itself.
In regard to commercial ops, you're basically telling me that for the same price people will prefer to seat in a small 4 seats VLJ cabin instead of a large 7 seats stand-up avanti just for the sake of the "Jet Status"? So far Avantair seems to get more business than VLJ operators...
As of today people are less caring about the shiny jet status than the value for money. The recent 26% increase in fractional turboprop ops while light jets are falling down 21% (ARG/US) also speaks for itself.
In regard to commercial ops, you're basically telling me that for the same price people will prefer to seat in a small 4 seats VLJ cabin instead of a large 7 seats stand-up avanti just for the sake of the "Jet Status"? So far Avantair seems to get more business than VLJ operators...