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No you have not been rude, no worries.
I am trying to see what to expect if I would join after my the completion of my conversion. I understand that you always start as a FO, so how true is the rule that if you have the requirements you are elegible to upgrade to CA after 6 months?
I am trying to see what to expect if I would join after my the completion of my conversion. I understand that you always start as a FO, so how true is the rule that if you have the requirements you are elegible to upgrade to CA after 6 months?
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B767, for someone who applied and turned down the offer you seem very bitter and angry!
Are you now on a mission to deter every one just because either you didnt like it or they didnt like you?
I do work for them, and your figures are unproven, more a calcualtion down on the back of a fag packet, so you are basing your prediction on what you have heard and how you think it will work.
It is a good company to work for and if you joined BA or Virgin you would wait fifteen years to get a command, hang on, I know what you are going to say, that will be a 747 or a777 or a A380, well, a plane is a plane is a plane and after the novelty of a new plane wears off, it ends up coming down to lifestyle and the oeverall package.
NJ's package is not the best in the industry, but it is by no means the worst.
It offers a kind of lifestyle people want and enjoy, so get over the fact that you didnt join NJ!
Are you now on a mission to deter every one just because either you didnt like it or they didnt like you?
I do work for them, and your figures are unproven, more a calcualtion down on the back of a fag packet, so you are basing your prediction on what you have heard and how you think it will work.
It is a good company to work for and if you joined BA or Virgin you would wait fifteen years to get a command, hang on, I know what you are going to say, that will be a 747 or a777 or a A380, well, a plane is a plane is a plane and after the novelty of a new plane wears off, it ends up coming down to lifestyle and the oeverall package.
NJ's package is not the best in the industry, but it is by no means the worst.
It offers a kind of lifestyle people want and enjoy, so get over the fact that you didnt join NJ!
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I have to agree with South Coast. B767 you are wrong, your numbers are based on things you may have heard in a hotel bar.
As I understand, ALL FLEETS GET PAID THE SAME. It does not matter if you are a year 6 Capt on the Hawker 400 or a year 6 Capt on the Falcon 7x, they get the same money. Why are we so vain over the planes we fly? I did my time on the smallest fleet and now I fly something bigger but, I had as much fun on the Bravo as I do on the Falcon. Before you ask, I have lost the rose tinted Raybans, I have been around a while.
Whatever happens, you will only do 3 years maximum on the small fleets unless you want to stay longer for the TRI/TRE.
B767, I ain't having a go but, you seem bitter about something, why?
Have a good weekend one and all.
As I understand, ALL FLEETS GET PAID THE SAME. It does not matter if you are a year 6 Capt on the Hawker 400 or a year 6 Capt on the Falcon 7x, they get the same money. Why are we so vain over the planes we fly? I did my time on the smallest fleet and now I fly something bigger but, I had as much fun on the Bravo as I do on the Falcon. Before you ask, I have lost the rose tinted Raybans, I have been around a while.
Whatever happens, you will only do 3 years maximum on the small fleets unless you want to stay longer for the TRI/TRE.
B767, I ain't having a go but, you seem bitter about something, why?
Have a good weekend one and all.
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Gents, even if I don't work for NJE yet (starting soon
) I can say this:
the Net Jet Package is very transparent, and everybody can get the information he or she needs. If it's not in the internet, you can always call them and they'll send you the info you're looking for. I tried this several times before deciding to accept their offer and it never took longer than a day or two for them to send me the info. (i.E. health insurance details, etc...) And of course they won't write in your contract when you're going to be CPT or when you can change fleets etc... They wouldn't be very smart if they did that.
So what I'm trying to say is that if you decide to work for NJE (or not), you should pretty much know what you're getting into. I myself looked around for several years before finally deciding to leave my old company, and I've seen packages a lot worse than the one NJE is offering.
Naturally I myself don't know much about NJE OPS and what it's like flying ViP's (yet), but I guess if you like it or not is really something that everybody has to find out for himself. (which by the way is why I think that starting as a F.O. and not as a CPT is actually a very good idea!)
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) I can say this:the Net Jet Package is very transparent, and everybody can get the information he or she needs. If it's not in the internet, you can always call them and they'll send you the info you're looking for. I tried this several times before deciding to accept their offer and it never took longer than a day or two for them to send me the info. (i.E. health insurance details, etc...) And of course they won't write in your contract when you're going to be CPT or when you can change fleets etc... They wouldn't be very smart if they did that.
So what I'm trying to say is that if you decide to work for NJE (or not), you should pretty much know what you're getting into. I myself looked around for several years before finally deciding to leave my old company, and I've seen packages a lot worse than the one NJE is offering.
Naturally I myself don't know much about NJE OPS and what it's like flying ViP's (yet), but I guess if you like it or not is really something that everybody has to find out for himself. (which by the way is why I think that starting as a F.O. and not as a CPT is actually a very good idea!)
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Netjets Europe is open for most European citizens. I can agree on the fact that NJE doesn’t have the best overall packet if you want to live in UK. But if you in general don’t really like the British food, your girls 
, the poor living standard or just happens to live somewhere else. Then you soon realize that the overall package might not be as bad as it can be for all you UK people. I know you all British guys measure the living cost in how much a pint cost 
, but if you look beyond that and concentrate on the important stuff…. then you soon will find out that even guys from the Nordic countries has lots to earn from joining Netjets!
, the poor living standard or just happens to live somewhere else. Then you soon realize that the overall package might not be as bad as it can be for all you UK people. I know you all British guys measure the living cost in how much a pint cost , but if you look beyond that and concentrate on the important stuff…. then you soon will find out that even guys from the Nordic countries has lots to earn from joining Netjets!
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Absolutely not bitter. I just find it a shame that people are not telling the truth about what you can expect and what you can not expect when joining Netjets. My numbers are absolutely correct, if you say they are not then I must call you "people not telling the thruth" (politely said and not to offend anybody). Again I have nothing against this company but you should be told that there is a seniority system in place with its advantages and also with the disadvantages i.e. gone the upgrades in 6 months, gone the fleet changes after 3 years. The first is very important as most of the experienced guys joining are taking a serious paycut with in the back of their mind that it will be for a very short time...you and I know it isn't like this....
Tell me also why you have to sit in the right seat again? Companies like Private Air, TAG and Globaljet do not apply this policy and the pilots flying there are doing the same job as in Netjets and going to the same places....Again nothing personal are bitter but nothing but facts and the thruth and apparently you guys are afraid to admit al this although you know it is true.
I will not keep on repeating myself, so this was it for me...enjoy life and Netjets....
B-767
Absolutely not bitter. I just find it a shame that people are not telling the truth about what you can expect and what you can not expect when joining Netjets. My numbers are absolutely correct, if you say they are not then I must call you "people not telling the thruth" (politely said and not to offend anybody). Again I have nothing against this company but you should be told that there is a seniority system in place with its advantages and also with the disadvantages i.e. gone the upgrades in 6 months, gone the fleet changes after 3 years. The first is very important as most of the experienced guys joining are taking a serious paycut with in the back of their mind that it will be for a very short time...you and I know it isn't like this....
Tell me also why you have to sit in the right seat again? Companies like Private Air, TAG and Globaljet do not apply this policy and the pilots flying there are doing the same job as in Netjets and going to the same places....Again nothing personal are bitter but nothing but facts and the thruth and apparently you guys are afraid to admit al this although you know it is true.
I will not keep on repeating myself, so this was it for me...enjoy life and Netjets....
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What makes you the definitive source on what numbers are correct, as you say, you dont even work for NJ, so all your info is second hand!
I dont deny there are in the region of a thousand pilots at NJ and if you join you will be a thousand and one, but that is no different to any other company.
As for your reference to having to wait so long for an upgrade, the policy says that once you meet the requirements, so for a high houred guy that could be realistically within six months, you have to submit a letter to your fleet manager requesting to be considered.
Your fleet manager will either reply with a yes or no.
Then you can start bidding for a captains position on a fleet.
With the number of planes on NJ's order books there are definitely places for people to upgrade swiftly for the next few years.
So how do you come to the conclusion you will have to wait years?
Also, people have become accustomed to quick upgrades and quick fleet changes to large cabins, and in actual fact this is not normal, name me one other company that offers such quick progression.
NJ has been able to do this historically because of their rapid expansion, but like with everything, it has slowed down and therefore so will the upgrading and fleet changing.(will = in the future, but not yet i dont think)
That is nothing to do with a bad company or management trying to screw its pilots, it is just fact and reality.
NJ has a policy of not hiring direct entry captains because it feels, whether you agree with it or not, that NJ would rather have everyone see the operation from the right seat for a period of time to get an understanding and feel for how, why and when things are done.
That is their right to have such a policy and do you complain about every policy or law in life that you dont agree with.
Your statement of, the experienced guys who join are taking a pay cut...well that in itself must say that they think the package and the wait is worth it and that they value what NJ has to offer much more than what they had at their previous employer or they wouldnt have left.
So if NJ is so unfair and bad, name me a better GA company that offers rapid upgrades, fairly quick fleet changes, a stable roster, the choice to live where ever you like in Europe, an above average salary, an excellent safety record and a slowly but surely move towards a better package.
I would like you to give me examples and facts of where what I have said is wrong.
Finally, the fleet bidding system is not even implemented as of yet (only a seniority list has been published), so how can you claim that you have worked out the time scales to get onto a large cabin, it is just impossible and nothing more than a guess!
It is just boring when people who have limited knowledge of the internal mechanics of the company start complaining about it, inaccurately at that.
What makes you the definitive source on what numbers are correct, as you say, you dont even work for NJ, so all your info is second hand!
I dont deny there are in the region of a thousand pilots at NJ and if you join you will be a thousand and one, but that is no different to any other company.
As for your reference to having to wait so long for an upgrade, the policy says that once you meet the requirements, so for a high houred guy that could be realistically within six months, you have to submit a letter to your fleet manager requesting to be considered.
Your fleet manager will either reply with a yes or no.
Then you can start bidding for a captains position on a fleet.
With the number of planes on NJ's order books there are definitely places for people to upgrade swiftly for the next few years.
So how do you come to the conclusion you will have to wait years?
Also, people have become accustomed to quick upgrades and quick fleet changes to large cabins, and in actual fact this is not normal, name me one other company that offers such quick progression.
NJ has been able to do this historically because of their rapid expansion, but like with everything, it has slowed down and therefore so will the upgrading and fleet changing.(will = in the future, but not yet i dont think)
That is nothing to do with a bad company or management trying to screw its pilots, it is just fact and reality.
NJ has a policy of not hiring direct entry captains because it feels, whether you agree with it or not, that NJ would rather have everyone see the operation from the right seat for a period of time to get an understanding and feel for how, why and when things are done.
That is their right to have such a policy and do you complain about every policy or law in life that you dont agree with.
Your statement of, the experienced guys who join are taking a pay cut...well that in itself must say that they think the package and the wait is worth it and that they value what NJ has to offer much more than what they had at their previous employer or they wouldnt have left.
So if NJ is so unfair and bad, name me a better GA company that offers rapid upgrades, fairly quick fleet changes, a stable roster, the choice to live where ever you like in Europe, an above average salary, an excellent safety record and a slowly but surely move towards a better package.
I would like you to give me examples and facts of where what I have said is wrong.
Finally, the fleet bidding system is not even implemented as of yet (only a seniority list has been published), so how can you claim that you have worked out the time scales to get onto a large cabin, it is just impossible and nothing more than a guess!
It is just boring when people who have limited knowledge of the internal mechanics of the company start complaining about it, inaccurately at that.
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South coast,
just to let you know how accurate my info is and that my numbers are correct: one of the very last people transferring to the G-550 had seniority number 185...so is this prove enough for you and anybody else that what I said is correct and to the point and that all the rest you are trying to tell me and the others is BS.....and by the way you can make your own calculation on how long it will take you to get on "big"
airplane......again nothing personal against the company but pls be so nice and honest to come forward with the truth.....Thank you Smeagel.....
Enjoy netjets by all means...
just to let you know how accurate my info is and that my numbers are correct: one of the very last people transferring to the G-550 had seniority number 185...so is this prove enough for you and anybody else that what I said is correct and to the point and that all the rest you are trying to tell me and the others is BS.....and by the way you can make your own calculation on how long it will take you to get on "big"
airplane......again nothing personal against the company but pls be so nice and honest to come forward with the truth.....Thank you Smeagel.....Enjoy netjets by all means...
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I dont dispute your friend is going to a GV, but how does that back the rest of your arguments up, it disproves your argument, because he has been in the NJ for less than 5 years, and on to a G5, not bad in my opinion.
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Even Dumbo and Miss Piggy are smarter than you are...because at least they admit when they were wrong....
You are the biggest.....pls fill in the blanks yourself, because only you can define your level of intelligence...
I know for a fact now that my little bird was right all the time...I think he/she must be very pissed with your seniority list and I bet a lot of others are....
I rest my case...and will keep on enjoying my big bird
You are the biggest.....pls fill in the blanks yourself, because only you can define your level of intelligence...
I know for a fact now that my little bird was right all the time...I think he/she must be very pissed with your seniority list and I bet a lot of others are....
I rest my case...and will keep on enjoying my big bird
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The more I read your posts the more I think you were not offered a position with NJ because for someone who turned it all down, you are very bitter and angry about it all.
Why are you so motivated about it if it is so bad?
Please explain this statement of yours, 'I think he/she must be very pissed with your seniority list and I bet a lot of others are....'
Why would he/she be pissed, we all wanted a seniority list and it has been drawn up the fairest way possible, being from when you joined the company and not when you upgraded.
So what is your probelm with that, that is how every seniority list is made.
And you still have not answered my question, your friend who has gone to the G5 has been in the company around 5 years, are you saying he got a bad deal?
Is your friend who is pissed with the seniority list leaving on account of how bad NJ is, for that matter, is your friend who is going to the G5 leaving because it is that bad?
Dont think so.
We are very lucky you didnt join, because you seem to be a whining twerp!
Why are you so motivated about it if it is so bad?
Please explain this statement of yours, 'I think he/she must be very pissed with your seniority list and I bet a lot of others are....'
Why would he/she be pissed, we all wanted a seniority list and it has been drawn up the fairest way possible, being from when you joined the company and not when you upgraded.
So what is your probelm with that, that is how every seniority list is made.
And you still have not answered my question, your friend who has gone to the G5 has been in the company around 5 years, are you saying he got a bad deal?
Is your friend who is pissed with the seniority list leaving on account of how bad NJ is, for that matter, is your friend who is going to the G5 leaving because it is that bad?
Dont think so.
We are very lucky you didnt join, because you seem to be a whining twerp!
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B-767
Nobody promises you a G550 in 3 years after you join. No mather what company you work for. As SouthCoast said this seniority is fair and clear. If you don't like it don't join (please).
I hope that number 185 knows you namedropped him here.
BTW do you fly for TFL?
Nobody promises you a G550 in 3 years after you join. No mather what company you work for. As SouthCoast said this seniority is fair and clear. If you don't like it don't join (please).
I hope that number 185 knows you namedropped him here.
BTW do you fly for TFL?
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Oh I dunno, one of the guys currently doing line training on the G550 has a "seniority" number closer to 300. 
Better write a crew report!!! 
Better write a crew report!!!
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Nah different bloke. Then again, B767 could have just plucked a number out of the air. If the number is correct, I know him and he's a good bloke. He just has to remember the blockout when in Egypt.
Anyway, if you join any company you start at the bottom. There might be a company that is a better fit for some folks. That's freedom of choice.
At least NJE is still recruiting.
Anyway, if you join any company you start at the bottom. There might be a company that is a better fit for some folks. That's freedom of choice.
At least NJE is still recruiting.
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You been looking through my photo album reddo? The shot of the dayglo crew? 
The way I read B-767's posts he's not necessarily saying that the person is his friend but that said person transferred to that fleet. Only those with access to NJE's bidding system will be able to work out who it is but it's still a poor show to publish the information.
As for the company still recruiting that's interesting. A cynical person might point out that the last time they overcrewed it was in anticipation of resignations in response to the imposistion of the new tax/SS arrangements.
'By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes'.
Or maybe not
The way I read B-767's posts he's not necessarily saying that the person is his friend but that said person transferred to that fleet. Only those with access to NJE's bidding system will be able to work out who it is but it's still a poor show to publish the information.
As for the company still recruiting that's interesting. A cynical person might point out that the last time they overcrewed it was in anticipation of resignations in response to the imposistion of the new tax/SS arrangements.
'By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes'.
Or maybe not
PPRuNe Handmaiden
I couldn't believe you of all people not realising what the sun'll do! 
This face looks familiar. What's your second citizenship??!!
Dunno how many'll be recruited this year. Out of my pay bracket.
Looked for you at the Thunderbird place, no joy.
This face looks familiar. What's your second citizenship??!! Dunno how many'll be recruited this year. Out of my pay bracket.
Looked for you at the Thunderbird place, no joy.
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Hey flinty what are you trying to say about the current recruitment? I have applied and would like to get through, but are there storm clouds looming? I'm happy at my current job, but I can't get a base at the right end of the country hence my interest in Netjets. Got bills to pay so don't want to find myself jammed up a badgers arse with no job. 
By the way what it the fixation with the G550? Why don't you try the small fleets people cos it's a fun machine! Oh and it gives me a better chance of getting it LOL
D and F
peace fellas
By the way what it the fixation with the G550? Why don't you try the small fleets people cos it's a fun machine! Oh and it gives me a better chance of getting it LOL D and F
peace fellas
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185 has DONE a G550 type rating, not rumour but fact. There are some G550 captains at 250-300 who transfered to the Gulfstream with some Hawker 800 captains at 120-170. This was the problem with the old system and i think the new seniority system will get rid of this, although it may take a while for all the guys higher up to go where they want. The problem is that all employees can look at everyone else's place, but no-one knows what that person have been asked, have turned down or requested to do.
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