CE550B

@ mikepops, all this info is available at a click of a mouse. But quick, TTC, depends on your prev experience, min 3000h, Type and roster not Gateway dependend. (iow all the same)

@blueskybird, No, we're completely seperate companies. Would be nice though an exchange for a couple of month!

Pax on the run

Has anyone recieved a call regarding the interviews that took place on the 1st & 2nd July at Farnborough yet?

Still waiting here.

All the best.

No RYR for me

@blue sky

Agree with CE550, they are two complete seperate companies, so no change....

Buttie Box

Hi guys,

The thread seems to have gone quiet over the past few weeks. I'm ULH -400s at the moment very seriously considering jumping ship and Netjets really sounds like where I'd fit in. However, are NJE still recruiting? What's the story with the new aircraft order? Anyone with a recent copy of the ever-shifting "big picture" please provide an insight. Many thanks,

All the best

jj

redsnail

Recruitment on hold at the moment. My sources say November is when they'll begin interviews again. I think CVs are being accepted though.

Aircraft orders haven't changed although the deliveries haven't turned up this year as "promised" by the manufacturer. Should be a different story next year when the 4000's and the 7X's pitch up. 750's being delivered at last...

Buttie Box, bear in mind you may swap your -400 for an entirely different 400 altogether. If you can accept a possibility of no APU, no FA and no long haul and be an FO for a while*, you'll be fine.

* could be any where from a few months but more likely 12 months. It's performance and needs based.

Damianik

I always like reddy's posts, and i would like to ask a question in the flow of the swapping 400s...i am about to swap my 800 for another 800 or maybe F or C dont know...but is that a chance further down my life to change back into the my old 800 or any similar heavy metal if u know what i mean? for now i love the idea of NJE but my biggest concern is, with this economical situation, how cleaver it is to leave a B for a H or a C and what if i wanna go back? All that said, command isnt an issue because it would be plus or minus at the same time both companies due to my 2000 hours TT now.
I always appreciate your opinions, and anyone elses in this forum!
thanks
D.

redsnail

Swapping 800s? (I like the one with the H in front, B? Nahhh )

As with any company, you haven't got a gun pointing at you so you can do what you like. Within reason of course. I wouldn't go lofting two fingers at my employers and expect them to welcome me back with open arms 6 months later. With B time and bizjet time, you never know, you might be "just right" for a BBJ operation etc. Gotta be in it to win it.

NJE is a pretty big company now, I think it's ranked 5th in Europe. easyJet's in front of it at the mo. While that doesn't confer any protection from going broke, my sources in the Office are pretty confident that we won't lose money this year. That pleases me and my bank card! Sure, the growth rate won't be like it has been but (at this stage) there's no sign of redundancies etc.

From what I can gather, most of the bigger bizjet companies are still expanding and hiring.

Anonymus6

Hi there,

Just a little bit off the subject, but can someone that works for netjet tell me why netjet (europe) don't accept JAA license issued by Spain (CAA)? is it true or just rumours I heard!!!

Thanks for your time,

redsnail

No idea about that one. It may be that if you have a Spanish issued JAA lic you'll be asked to get a UK one simply because there may be problems getting your LPC/OPCs signed off by FSI.

We do have Spanish pilots flying for NJE.

PPRuNeUser0215

I am pretty sure NJE accepts all JAA licences but if they ask you to change it it is to ease the admin work and reduce the time to do it when going for type ratings, renewals etc... NJE will hire you on the basis of your Spanish licence but if they feel it could be a good idea for you to get a UK one, they will tell you and pay all the costs.
That will include licence fee and an airline ticket to LGW so you can drop off and pick up your licence.
I am not sure about Spain but France, Italy can be real pains to get the type rating put on it. Weeks if not months... In the UK, you will drop it off at the CAA in the morning before 11 and pick it up by 1500. In my case, I wouldn't go for the french system as anything to do with French admins drives me crazy.

When you go to the interview, it is very likely that the HR person will explain that to you. It won't be a surprise when you join NJE so you will have time to think about whether or not changing your licence against getting a job at NJE, is a wortwhile option.

Anonymus6

just wanted to say thanks for the info, as I said earlyer on my post,,it is just rumors I heard. It wouldn't make any sense if they didn't take anyone with a spanish license since it is JAA.

Good luck guys

redsnail

Thanks mate, just spat tea all over my keyboard! Love the irony.

Turbine1

Question for AMEX, should a relatively comfortable SFO within a established airline within the UK think of joining NJ in this present economical climate? or should he just sit tight and continue with the Night DLM for the rest of his career.
as a side thought thinking of moving to the Cheese country for the kids. just
weighing up the options.

regards

JB007

Turbine1

Interesting times. If you do a very simple search of the 'tinterweb both Gulfstream and Bombardier are reporting backlog orders of 3 to 4 years of production. I would suspect Dassualt and Cessna are the same...

This sector is just booming...food for thought...who knows where the UK charter market is going, or what the airline will be called in 5 years from now...

KUMOOZ

Well, I see your dilemma about jobwise and what is best for the kids.

On the kids front, raising them just about anywhere outside of the U.K is a no brainer! Go into any large town on a saturday night (if you dare) if you need convincing.

On the job front, do your homework, decide what you want from your career and speak to your family. I made my decision a few months back.
I agonised over my big shiny 767 and airline lifestyle versus corporate and bug smashers. There were lots of plusses and minuses for both. I need to get another ten years out of flying before I hang my hat up so job security is important to me as well.
It really was a finely balanced argument until my Doris said what would you rather 'drive', A London bus or a racing car?
That did it for me, lets go smash some bugs and be employed by the richest man on the planet.....no brainer for me now!

Good luck.

Turbine1

Interesting times indeed, thanks for the replies guys, the way the charter market is going and the way i see it is for a reduction in airframes and the reduction in holidays that are currently available today. which begs the question is the package holiday a dead duck, others above my pay grade would argue the opposite.

the only reservation i have regarding the live style is the time away from home with current roster that NJ are employing, i have been told by her indoors that it would be unworkable, any guys have experience with this?

cheers

JB007

...and i'm doing a night DLM later this week!

Also if you use a certain new aircraft register based on an island in the Irish Sea with tax benefits for corporate aircraft as an example; they wanted 10 aircraft in their first year, this register will be 2 years old in May 2009 and will have over 100 registered corporate aircraft, mostly new airframes...

keepin it in trim

the roster, as has been said before, is 6 days on, 5 off. you travel on days 1 and 6. your 5 off are exactly that, standby days are rostered as part of your 6 on. sometimes you might spend a whole tour on standby at home. Add in 22 days vacation, which is offset against duty days and you should see 178 actual days available for work.

What I am saying here is that you can certainly achieve a good work life balance. yes, your 6 on are away from home, so that is 5 nights away as a block. you have no idea where those 5 nights will be spent, just that it almost definitely will not be at your gateway. if that is a problem for you, then this is not the job for you (not being nasty, just honest).

If you and your family can handle that roster you will get, lots of free time in blocks of 5 days, to fly some very nice little (and not so little) aircraft, to work with a great bunch of colleagues from across europe, and visit a variety of places that an airline roster would never take you to.

No it is not perfect, however, I am pretty happy here, and have seen improvements in the package and the way the company does business year on year. Yes there are things that I would like to change but these are not show stoppers. One thing, the company is getting very big now, approx 1100 pilots and 150+ aircraft, a seniority system is now in place, i hear that new joiners, with the right experience, are being told to expect 2 years+ to command, rather than the previous 6 months. Again if this is a deal breaker don't come, it will only frustrate you, on the other hand, how many airlines offer the chance of command that quickly.

The operation is very different to airline, if you like to think on your feet and be pro-active you will probably enjoy it. It is horses for courses though. Have a good one

PPRuNeUser0215

Turbine1

Keep it in trim as a good answer and only you + Co can tell about the 5 nights away. If you can weigh up the pros and cons in a very fair manner (NJE is all about lifestyle) then you should be able to decide.
Works out top for me but then again I am not quite in the same situation as yours... Still I get so much out of it that I would not consider going to where I was before or where you are now.
NJE isn't perfect but here's what I really like.
Routes, Colleagues, Airline like SOPs (are improving and need more improvements but the will is there), money Vs what I would have to do to get the same to live in the same place, roster (Super stable) and 6 months at home every year, the aircraft I will get to fly, the seniority list in place, the gateway system, the freedom on tours, opportunities to get involved in other things than line flying, ....

What I don't like.
Flight Safety Training... No airline of a significant reputation would ever think it is of a high standard.
Lack of clear payscale progression. Some parts of the "Ops departments" and without going into details, it ain't all perfect and some aspect can be frustrating. Now do I believe the company is looking at it and do I believe things will get better ? Yep, I do. Just like things have changed since I have joined.
Pension ? Well, I am told it is now imminent unless the National authority meant to validate it keeps dragging its feet, therefore standing a chance to lose quite a lot.
Then some minor points, all line pilots (just like in any airlines), like to moan about when enjoying dinner in Rome, Alexandria, Le Bourget or wherever else I might be that night.

Do I think, there is something for you in NJE ? I do but you must be very clear about why you want to leave your present outfit. No BS, unrealistic expectations (upgrades weeks after Indoc don't happen anymore), clear goals you have set yoursleves (ie me, it was sea, sun and an enjoyable flying job).
Do I think it's the right time ? Well, we have now a seniority list so like in any airline, the earlier you get on it, the better.

Anyway, mate, I am back soon so for a few glasses of Bordeaux, I should be able to speak to you this week end.

PS: DLM is like AGP with previous employer... Got really bored with it but now that I have been there a few times and spent anything between, 2 hours to 2 days, I actually enjoy the destination.

Kilo-club SNA

Just out of curiosity. most NJ pilots speak of the challanging flying and interesting night stops, so when you have a night stop or a few days/day on sby downroute, what kind of conditions is it on? sitting at the airport for the day or roam free around the area? As I said, a bit of the thread but I can't help but wonder