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India Four Two 23rd Dec 2020 22:47

Two built, only one flew.

Unlike the Gloster III, it was never on floats but it was re-engined and became an air racer. It competed in three races and won one.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1273e8708f.png

Asturias56 24th Dec 2020 07:58

Are we in the UK in the last picture?

reminds me of Farnborough

Self loading bear 24th Dec 2020 17:46

Verville VCP
re-motorized with Packard engine
Verville-Packard R-1
The last photo from Etampes France

India Four Two 24th Dec 2020 22:57

Slb has got it. A very early example of a streamlined biplane, built in 1920. A surprisingly high wing-loading of 14.9 lb/sq.ft., compared with its contemporaries - Sopwith Snipe 7.5 lb/sq.ft., Nieuport Nighthawk 8 lb/sq.ft., Curtiss Hawk 11.8 lb/sq.ft., Boeing PW-9 12 lb/sq.ft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verville_VCP

The picture at Etampes was taken during the September 1920 Gordon Bennett* race, where it didn't finish due to overheating problems. Two months later, back across the Atlantic, it won the first Pulitzer Trophy Race at Mitchel Field, Long Island in November 1920, with an average speed of 178 mph over a 320 mile course, finishing 2.5 minutes ahead of the second place finisher - a Thomas Morse Scout.

The VCP came to an unfortunate end in a collision with an automobile, which is probably why no more was heard about it:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4af3ec51fa.jpg

https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/mitchel-field/

* If you think the Schneider Cup is ugly, you should see the Gordon Bennett Cup :eek: :


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....14fc1e41cb.jpg



Slb has control.

Self loading bear 25th Dec 2020 17:51

Thanks India42,

I have also some interesting silhouettes for this challenge:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e3f62205c.jpeg

Thrust Augmentation 25th Dec 2020 23:27

Jona J-6 (with markings removed)?

Self loading bear 27th Dec 2020 09:12


Originally Posted by Thrust Augmentation (Post 10954517)
Jona J-6 (with markings removed)?

Trust is right the Jona 6
Tilting wing stabilization system
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....67c913bac.jpeg

washoutt 27th Dec 2020 09:48

Tilting wing?? How does that work? To compensate prop gyro effects? Never heard of this mechanism before. Any explanation? Thanks.

Self loading bear 27th Dec 2020 10:12


Originally Posted by washoutt (Post 10955253)
Tilting wing?? How does that work? To compensate prop gyro effects? Never heard of this mechanism before. Any explanation? Thanks.

Wiki is your friend
The Jona J-6 was a very unusual design: not only was it a cantilever sesquiplane, its lower wing having a span about two thirds that of the upper wing and having a narrower chord but, uniquely, the upper plane was mounted to the fuselage so that it could tilt about a longitudinal axis with respect to the rest of the aircraft. The objective was lateral stability; the ailerons were linked to the fuselage so that if the port wing was raised by a gust its aileron was also raised and that of the starboard wing lowered, automatically correcting the roll.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cfc086508.jpeg

FlightlessParrot 27th Dec 2020 20:57

That aeroplane looks like a dog that has just been shown a card trick. When I read about it, it sounded like an odd idea, but seeing those photographs makes it look totally bonkers.

Self loading bear 1st Jan 2021 10:20


Originally Posted by Thrust Augmentation (Post 10954517)
Jona J-6 (with markings removed)?

Trust send me a PM that he has some access problems.
We will wait for that to be solved or I will perhaps forward his challenge.

Self loading bear 1st Jan 2021 21:14


Originally Posted by Self loading bear (Post 10958369)
Trust send me a PM that he has some access problems.
We will wait for that to be solved or I will perhaps forward his challenge.

Trust has not yet solved his access problems.
He suggested that I would post another challenge.
I prefer to declare open house.

Asturias56 2nd Jan 2021 07:55

He appears to have been suspended for some reason

https://www.pprune.org/pprune-proble...l#post10957300

washoutt 2nd Jan 2021 09:29

Ah, I punched "tiltwing" i.l.o "tilting wing" in Wikipedia and only got the Hiller X-18.
I always thought to compensate for asymmetric gusts, you put dihedral to the wings. Or reacting ailerons as in the B-2. Not a tilting wing with reacting ailerons. Very complex indeed.

India Four Two 2nd Jan 2021 21:29

Here's an easy one to keep things rolling. Look what I discovered while beach combing on my tropical island:


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f53b3f2ff3.jpg

Asturias56 3rd Jan 2021 07:52

N Hemisphere or Southern hemisphere?

India Four Two 3rd Jan 2021 08:13

North of the Equator.

Planemike 3rd Jan 2021 08:40

Fairchild Packet......Not sure of the military des....

treadigraph 3rd Jan 2021 09:30

I'm think I'm turning Japanese?

Asturias56 3rd Jan 2021 10:43

yes - something like a Kawanishi 8K??


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