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PPRuNe Towers 25th Nov 2020 17:21

Don't turn into the over enthusiastic hair trigger posters on this thread. 24 hour rule and same for clues.

Rob

ea200 25th Nov 2020 17:28

Sorry Rob, I forgot all about that. I have deleted my post.

Self loading bear 25th Nov 2020 20:52


Originally Posted by PPRuNe Towers (Post 10934631)
Don't turn into the over enthusiastic hair trigger posters on this thread. 24 hour rule and same for clues.

Rob

Rob,
Thank you for your message which clarifies a lot.
I understand you have been triggered by the 21 minute response of Fauteuil.
That was indeed quite fast.

Officially the 24 hour rule was lifted by the Mods some months ago.
I understand it is again in force.
I agree with your intention that this should be an international thread in which pprunes from all time zones should be enabled to contribute.

In the last month I personally have PMed one or two Quick contributors to warn them not to spoil the search for others. In these threads one does not get points for the quickest answer.
Each should obtain ones satisfaction by solving the mystery themselves.
If the challenge is so easy that one can answer it quickly, the satisfaction must also be less?
I leave those challenges for others to ponder over as they apparently have not fully understood the clues.

If you feel the urge to post a lot of challenges yourself, you do not have to answer quickly because there are lots of opportunities to post at Open House.

Quick answering and then declare Open House certainly does not help anyone.

Long time contributors will see that I learned some things myself and I apologize for having sinned.

Rob, via PMs I know Fauteuil has understood this.
I think your post above would have been enough warning.
Blocking without warning or clarification will not reach your goal.
I hope you are willing to end the blocking soon?

ea200 25th Nov 2020 23:25

24 hours have passed so I'll have another (same) go. It looks like it might be a Curtiss model D?

Senior Pilot 26th Nov 2020 00:05


Originally Posted by ea200 (Post 10934816)
24 hours have passed so I'll have another (same) go.

To repeat the discussions from earlier this year; the 24 hour rule applies to a new challenge, not to posts answering an existing challenge. The three threads were becoming a spotters game dominated by some UK based members who would turn over sometimes 3 or 4 challenges in a day, off-putting for other PPRuNers around the world.

Thanks

Self loading bear 26th Nov 2020 12:48


Originally Posted by ea200 (Post 10934816)
24 hours have passed so I'll have another (same) go. It looks like it might be a Curtiss model D?

Not Curtiss D, but there is a connection.

Asturias56 27th Nov 2020 08:58

"Each should obtain ones satisfaction by solving the mystery themselves. If the challenge is so easy that one can answer it quickly, the satisfaction must also be less?
I leave those challenges for others to ponder over as they apparently have not fully understood the clues."

beautifully put Bear - its the chase that is the thing on these challenges

Self loading bear 27th Nov 2020 17:13

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....07e166d9b.jpeg

Does this help anyone a bit further?

sycamore 27th Nov 2020 19:11

Baldwin, Bell, McCurdy, Curtiss, Selfridge ,`June Bug`....1911

OH if correct...

and I have flown something similar from the same era...much respect to those pioneers....

Self loading bear 27th Nov 2020 20:12

Yes, the June bug.
Flown by Curtiss as being member of the Aerial Experiment Association.
The prints are from the patent application.
On this Graham Alexander Bell was the first
OH called


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3748edbe9.jpeg

Self loading bear 1st Dec 2020 18:16


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 10935952)
...

and I have flown something similar from the same era...much respect to those pioneers....

While we await the next challenge, could you share your experience?

sycamore 3rd Dec 2020 09:41

SLB, I used to fly /display aircraft of the Shuttleworth Collection between 1974-2000 and flew a lot of aircraft of the Collection,but not all,but I did fly the Bristol Boxkite and the Avro Triplane..It would take me from now to Christmas to `write it up`,as I am only competent at 1-finger typing,however ,there is/was a book written`From Bleriot to Spitfire`,which describes the aircraft characteristics in great detail by Neil Williams...It may be still on sale direct from the SC,or by the `riverside`place...Xmas present...? or maybe someone on here could copy+paste it here...To give a flavour,imagine you really are in a `Fauteil Volant` flying over the countryside at between 20 -45 knots........wind whistling up your trousers,flies in the teeth,deafened by having to run the engine,behind you at max RPM,holding on to a broomstick control column with 2 hands,with minimum lateral and longitudinal stability,marginal directional stability,knowing ,if the engine quits,if you look down between your knees,that will be where you are going to end up.......what a great way to enjoy a calm Summers evening...Great fun...!!!

If you watch a video of a modern `canard equipped` fighter on an approach,or manoeuvring ,you`ll notice the `canard` is working overtime,all by FBW and computers,probably 3,...we did that in the Boxkite.....!!just `by wires,and no computer.....

taken me 45 mins.to write that.....

teusje 6th Dec 2020 20:25

Let's try this one

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8a2bd4ac92.jpg

Asturias56 7th Dec 2020 11:13

Countryside look European but blue & white often means Argentina....... lets ask if it's European?

sycamore 7th Dec 2020 12:38

Looks very much like a jUNGMANN with a makeover; Walter/Avia M -37 motor/prop,Cessna gear,revised struts,and tail off another Czech aircraft(Avia ?)......?

teusje 7th Dec 2020 16:42

Not from Europe I'm afraid. Or Argentina.
The engine is indeed a Walter.

India Four Two 7th Dec 2020 19:33

The interplane struts are very Pitts-like. Any connection?

sycamore 7th Dec 2020 21:17

How about the rest of `the Americas,Canada,USA,or S America.....?

Asturias56 8th Dec 2020 17:23

I keep thinking I've seen this before - a little voice in my head (the one that talks sense) says its American - but what and when ????

teusje 8th Dec 2020 18:01

It's from the USA. Though there somewhat of a link to a politician from Europe.


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