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Asturias56 3rd Jan 2021 14:51

I'm pretty sure it is this "Emily" in Makin Lagoon

https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/h...980/boat2.html

https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/h8k/makin.html



Aircraft History
Built by Kawanishi. Delivered to the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) as Type 2 Flying Boat (H8K2 Emily). Assigned to an unknown Kokutai. Painted with green upper surfaces and gray lower surfacesWartime History
On September 18, 1943 moored in Makin Lagoon at King's Wharf at Makin Island and strafed by U. S. Navy (USN) F6F Hellcats and disabled. Afterwards, the Japanese removed the engines and removable equipment.

On November 20, 1943 after the U. S. Marine Corps (USMC) landing on Makin Island, Japanese defenders took up positions inside the wreckage of this Emily. On November 21, 1943 M4 Sherman tanks fired at the wreckage to eliminate them.

Wreckage
After the battle, the largely intact front half was photographed wuth U. S. Marines marching by on the beach and looking at the wreckage. Since the 1970s, the nose section is missing. Today, it has collapsed and is lying with the wings on the sand.

Stan Gajda adds:
"High tide goes about half way up the fuselage sides and at low tide you can walk around it. The rear part of the keel is nearby upside-down."

References
After The Battle Issue 15: page 29-30, back cover

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dcf9723c43.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....678f4e4a50.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....039d2905f0.jpg



India Four Two 3rd Jan 2021 23:08

Robinson Crusoe has looked at his sundial and determined that a whole solar day has passed and so is able to announce a winner.

Planemike,
I suppose it could be the very rare four-engined Fairchild Packet with the planing hull, but Asturias has it. :)

Emily, the “Sunderland-san” at Makin Island.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4801da387.jpeg

There’s certainly a lot of military history associated with an island I had never heard of before.

Besides Asturias’ links above, this one is interesting:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/u...t-carrier.html


Doris Miller was working as a mess attendant on the battleship West Virginia the morning of Dec. 7, 1941, when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. An alarm sounded, and as the ship drew heavy fire, Mr. Miller raced to assist the West Virginia’s fatally wounded commanding officer. He also fired a machine gun against enemy planes.

For his bravery and “distinguished devotion to duty” that day, Mr. Miller was awarded the prestigious Navy Cross, the second-highest military decoration, in 1942, making him the first African-American to receive the medal.

He was killed at Makin Island, when the USS Liscome Bay was torpedoed.

Il mio amico Asturias ha il controllo

Asturias56 4th Jan 2021 07:29

Grazie I42. - the closest I 've been to Makin Is. is Nauru

Doris Miller is of course to be commemorated by naming the Ford Class carrier CVN-81 after him

Hmmmm - lets try something more pedestrian.... a long way from Makin Island

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f8621d2307.jpg

meleagertoo 4th Jan 2021 16:20

I'll look forward to the reception Pompey'll give the sailors of the 'Doris Miller' if they visit!

India Four Two 4th Jan 2021 16:35


He was named Doris, as the midwife who assisted his mother was convinced that the baby would be female.
I'm reminded of Johnny Cash's song:

And some guy'd laugh and I'd bust his head,
I tell ya, life ain't easy for a boy named "Sue".
I expect the crew of CVN-81 will use his nickname - Dorie. :)

Asturias56 5th Jan 2021 14:49

They built over 70 of the Challenge but tin several different models- which superficially look quite different

treadigraph 5th Jan 2021 15:00

Is it a Klemm/BA Swallow?

Edit: no, huge numbers built!

Asturias56 6th Jan 2021 07:45

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f7e0c5705e.jpg

treadigraph 6th Jan 2021 08:22

Eastern European?

Asturias56 6th Jan 2021 12:37

Far from Eastern Europe.........................

sycamore 6th Jan 2021 13:22

Seems to be 2 variants,as cockpit shows curved section in first photo,and square in 2nd/side by side.7/9 cyl radial,LH prop,possibly Lynx engine...? Japanese..?

Asturias56 6th Jan 2021 15:32

Japan is even further away that E Europe I'm afraid.

It had a Wright R-760 I think giving 240 hp.

The builder is still in business


evansb 6th Jan 2021 18:10

The Argentinian FMA Ae. C.1 ?

The engine doesn't look like a Wright radial, more like an Armstrong-Siddeley radial.







Asturias56 7th Jan 2021 17:54

Its actually supposed to be an FMA Ae 2 - in various guises but the various versions of the 2 differ so much its hard to tell if they are the same or different to the FMA 1

We could argue forever so I' feel Evans has it - amazing they built over 70 of them pre WW2

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....798f0e254a.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....11dc0fc430.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b46fac953c.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9a3042d1df.jpg



evansb 7th Jan 2021 19:20

Thank you. The aircraft in the initial photo is indeed an FMA Ae.C.1. I would paste a URL to airwar ru to confirm, but because of my lowly status I am prohibited from pasting URLs, as well as being prohibited from posting a new challenge. It is OPEN HOUSE.

Self loading bear 16th Jan 2021 20:39

Evansb, life is difficult when pushed in that corner....

Let’s try this one:


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....449801b77.jpeg


India Four Two 16th Jan 2021 22:53

Judging by the prop rotation, I'm thinking not North American.


Asturias56 17th Jan 2021 08:36

get the engine and it should be easy!!

Self loading bear 17th Jan 2021 20:55


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10969616)
get the engine and it should be easy!!

As a matter of fact the engine type is included in the name!

Asturias56 18th Jan 2021 15:52

german perhaps?


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