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sycamore 21st Jul 2022 20:17

Think the guy with the hose appears to be wearing a lifejacket...so ,possibly a seaplane..?...Japanese..?

Self loading bear 21st Jul 2022 21:04

For seaplanes I will stab at the BV222 (or BV238) there are not that many differences between them which would show from this photo.

Noyade 22nd Jul 2022 09:35

None of the above.
Only one built - that is to say with the engines illustrated.
I rotated the photo slightly to the left - otherwise too much of the engines would be visible.

meleagertoo 22nd Jul 2022 12:40

Is this a turboprop? Those nacelles look rather long for a big recip.

Noyade 23rd Jul 2022 03:56

They're liquid cooled V12 engines...

treadigraph 23rd Jul 2022 05:23

XB-38 Flying Fortress with Allison V-1710s?

Noyade 23rd Jul 2022 11:44

Indeed it is Treaders - over to you sir. :ok:


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....24d9af1d2c.jpg

treadigraph 23rd Jul 2022 11:58

Lucky bit of Wikipediaring gave me a hint but image wasn't a clincher!

I expect this will be cinch for somebody...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ebb6e954f1.jpg

Self loading bear 23rd Jul 2022 12:11

Oh dear,
With the pilot having no view on the runway;
The passengers will do shock absorber duty upon landing

Noyade 25th Jul 2022 01:33

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a4254246e9.jpg

treadigraph 25th Jul 2022 08:01

Well done Noyade, your controls... :ok:

Noyade 26th Jul 2022 02:35

Thanks Treaders.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3174d680a8.jpg

Noyade 28th Jul 2022 00:28

Ed Heinemann was involved in making this machine...

Asturias56 28th Jul 2022 07:09

International Air Coach?

Noyade 28th Jul 2022 09:14


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11269136)
International Air Coach?

Sorry, I have no idea what that is?
So, I can confidently say - no.

It's made outta wood.

treadigraph 28th Jul 2022 09:28

Fin is certainly reminiscent of the A-26. Those elevator actuators or whatever they are (some form of mass balance?) are unusual but also strangely familiar.

MReyn24050 28th Jul 2022 10:33

Bowlus XCG-7 Glider. Open House if correct.

Haraka 28th Jul 2022 10:42

What I love about this site is when subjects I never even knew of are identified. . One never stops learning. . As just now!

Self loading bear 28th Jul 2022 12:46


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11269190)
Fin is certainly reminiscent of the A-26. Those elevator actuators or whatever they are (some form of mass balance?) are unusual but also strangely familiar.

Yes and how do these work?
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....51b81e89e.jpeg

sycamore 28th Jul 2022 13:25

They are mass-balances for the control surface...

Noyade 29th Jul 2022 00:32


Originally Posted by MReyn24050 (Post 11269231)
Bowlus XCG-7 Glider. Open House if correct.

Indeed it is Mel. :ok:
We're back to Open House.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ad479bc7d9.jpg

Asturias56 29th Jul 2022 07:54

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6fef7576de.jpg

this saw better days

treadigraph 29th Jul 2022 09:30


Originally Posted by Haraka (Post 11269239)
What I love about this site is when subjects I never even knew of are identified. . One never stops learning. . As just now!

Indeed, every day is a school day...

Thanks Sycamore re mass balances, think I might have a 1/48 kit in the loft which features similar on elevators or ailerons... it must be a fairly common vintage type but damned if I can remember what!

Noyade 29th Jul 2022 10:06


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11269756)
this saw better days

First thought was the Apollo.
But probably the Accountant?


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....08ba7e8281.jpg

Although one artist gives the door a rectangular shape?


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....86822bf474.jpg

UV 29th Jul 2022 14:32

G-ATEL?!
AviationTraders Engineering Ltd.
So personal reggies were alive and well, even in 1957!
That sequence wasnt issued until 1965.

Asturias56 29th Jul 2022 14:49

twiddle your thumbs until tomorrow.....

dixi188 29th Jul 2022 15:48


Originally Posted by UV (Post 11269947)
G-ATEL?!
AviationTraders Engineering Ltd.
So personal reggies were alive and well, even in 1957!
That sequence wasnt issued until 1965.

I always thought the first UK out of sequence registration was G-BSST for the first UK Concorde, and only then because the French had done it.
I was wrong. Did Freddie Laker have someone inside the ARB/Board of trade?

treadigraph 29th Jul 2022 15:50


Originally Posted by UV (Post 11269947)
G-ATEL?!
AviationTraders Engineering Ltd.
So personal reggies were alive and well, even in 1957!
That sequence wasnt issued until 1965.

Vague recollection of several out of sequence allocations being granted before the general free for all started in the mid 1970s - G-VTOL, G-BSBH, G-BJCB plus the BOAC Concorde allocations were all quite well known, but I think there were one or two earlier examples in the 1950s/60s. Earliest was probably G-EDCA (Director of Civil Aviation, Sir William Sefton Brancker), allocated to two separate DH-60s when the G-EAAA-EBZZ sequence was allocated prior to the modern register commencing from G-AAAA in 1929.

Edit: yes, forgotten G-BSST!

UV 29th Jul 2022 23:24


Originally Posted by dixi188 (Post 11269980)
Did Freddie Laker have someone.....

Whilst we are twiddling thumbs...

That name reminds me of the day I attended an Air Transport Licensing hearing at the CAA in Kingsway, London.
It was the Skytrain licensing application and Freddie Laker was there with some glamorous cabin crew.

During the hearing he asked the Chairman if he could present a petition supporting Skytrain which had been signed by 3 million people. The Chairman agreed and the hosties then proceeded to fill the whole room with stacks of paper about 10 feet high, so much so that you could barely see the panel!

The Chairman then asked Freddie if he wanted this huge mound to be submitted as evidence.

“Of course I do!”, blurted out Freddie, to which the Chairman immediately retorted : “Then, as required by the regulations, you must submit it in triplicate ...as all other evidence”.

The room collapsed in laughter!

Asturias56 30th Jul 2022 07:11

Yes the fabulously named Accountant - I thought it would last a bit longer but there are too many clever folk on here... over to Noyade!

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....712b415d9c.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1c6cd4741b.jpg


Noyade 30th Jul 2022 08:59

Thank you.
Here's another fuselage + door...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d133706496.png

Haraka 30th Jul 2022 12:05

The Old Joke.
!st Prototype " The Accountant"
2nd Prototype "The Administator"
3rd Prototype "The Receiver"
And let's not go in to the Avro 748's ancestry!

fitliker 30th Jul 2022 14:52

The 748 is still flying out of Pickle Lake , and Red Lake Ontario . Testimony to the genius of Avro Engineering .
Still lots of Airframes left , surprised nobody has not converted them with newer noisemakers .

dixi188 30th Jul 2022 16:34


Originally Posted by fitliker (Post 11270372)
The 748 is still flying out of Pickle Lake , and Red Lake Ontario . Testimony to the genius of Avro Engineering .
Still lots of Airframes left , surprised nobody has not converted them with newer noisemakers .

How many 80Ps(ATP) are still flying?

Self loading bear 31st Jul 2022 09:19

Dutch jewelry?

134brat 31st Jul 2022 09:40


Originally Posted by dixi188 (Post 11270396)
How many 80Ps(ATP) are still flying?

Of 67 built l would guess that there are no more than 20 still flying and most of these will be with West Atlantic Cargo. I don't think any that went to India are still active but there may be a couple still soldiering on in Indonesia.

sycamore 31st Jul 2022 15:08

Might be an S-M 81....?

possel 31st Jul 2022 17:40


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11269983)
Vague recollection of several out of sequence allocations being granted before the general free for all started in the mid 1970s - G-VTOL, G-BSBH, G-BJCB plus the BOAC Concorde allocations were all quite well known, but I think there were one or two earlier examples in the 1950s/60s. Earliest was probably G-EDCA (Director of Civil Aviation, Sir William Sefton Brancker), allocated to two separate DH-60s when the G-EAAA-EBZZ sequence was allocated prior to the modern register commencing from G-AAAA in 1929.

Edit: yes, forgotten G-BSST!

I suggest G-AHDM on the Miles HDM105 (1957, originally a Halifax/Halton in 1946), plus in the more modern lot was G-BIII. There were others which were "special" but almost in sequence with the normal course of things, particularly G-AWOG for Prince William of Gloucester

Self loading bear 31st Jul 2022 19:12

I was thinking Siebel 204
(Siebel is one of the largest jewelry stores in the Netherlands)

fitliker 31st Jul 2022 22:10


Originally Posted by dixi188 (Post 11270396)
How many 80Ps(ATP) are still flying?

I would be guessing as I am not sure . I have seen only three in the last while . The biggest issue is getting engine work done as the only shop still providing service is in New Zealand . Just looks like the Saab engines might just bolt right on , same high thrust lines :)


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