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Self loading bear 21st May 2021 08:28


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11048484)
Its certainly not easy.................... are we in the USA?

It is bloody difficult, also for myself!
Even with registration I don’t get results myself!
Pictures taken in France which I found looking for mountain soaring airports.

That also being a tough challenge!

treadigraph 21st May 2021 11:04

Cockpit reminds me of something homebuilt, maybe a few lines of DNA in it...

Asturias56 21st May 2021 15:45

Searching for this aircraft has taken me to aeroplanes I'd rather not have known ever existed.............

treadigraph 21st May 2021 16:56

It's the Colomban MC-30 that I was reminded of but engines and tail arrangement notwithstanding, the cockpit, though similar, is different!

FlightlessParrot 22nd May 2021 00:39

It does look a bit like a Cri-Cri that's taken a beating with the Ugly Stick. ? P-19 Glimmering?

Self loading bear 22nd May 2021 08:26


Originally Posted by FlightlessParrot (Post 11048876)
It does look a bit like a Cri-Cri that's taken a beating with the Ugly Stick. ? P-19 Glimmering?

Cri-Cri on steroids perhaps

Can you clarify P-19 Glimmering?
Perhaps a link?
I cannot find any aircraft under that name.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4464fc04a.jpeg
at Sisteron Airport 4 years ago

treadigraph 22nd May 2021 10:08

Typing in F-WLDE, I get pictures of Oscar Wilde...

FlightlessParrot 23rd May 2021 00:01


Originally Posted by Self loading bear (Post 11048976)
Can you clarify P-19 Glimmering?
Perhaps a link?
I cannot find any aircraft under that name.

Sorry, a contrived joke. Like a P-38 Lightning, only half the aircraft and rather dim.

FlightlessParrot 23rd May 2021 00:12

I have tried the following sites with no success:
https://www.aviafrance.com/recherche.php

http://www.antonakis.co.uk/registers/France.txt

https://immat.aviation-civile.gouv.f...ef_liste.html#

I think I saw somewhere that F-Wxxx is for prototypes, but with numerals following the W.

Not merely a prototype, but pseudonymous? The ultimate spy plane?



Asturias56 23rd May 2021 07:04

This is the hardest challenge of my time on here :ouch: - all sorts of weird aircraft turn up but nothing quite like the challenge - the Cri-Cri is probably closest but still nothing like this horror

I have to ask - did it really fly?

l.garey 23rd May 2021 07:57

"I think I saw somewhere that F-Wxxx is for prototypes, but with numerals following the W."

Flightless Parrot: F-Wxxx is used for flight testing, after which the registration reverts to a "normal" sequence, but still keeping the last three. So we need to see if there is a regular registration (eg: F-BLDE or others, but that was a Jodel). I've looked but find nothing.

What a challenge!

Laurence

treadigraph 23rd May 2021 08:00

As it appears to be a homebuilt, I looked for F-PLDE. Naught, not even on DGAC register. Perhaps it was a prop for a film or something.

Self loading bear 23rd May 2021 09:49

Thank you all for your suggestions and clarifications.
This might become unsolvable.

Did it Fly?
I guess so

P19 Glimmering is the best suggestion so far!
I was thinking about the Cri-Cri Obesity.

I have send an email to the Sisteron soaring club if they can find it in their visitors logs.

Has anyone explored the search path of the engines?
I think it are no diesels but Hirth 3702.
Hirth

Self loading bear 23rd May 2021 09:56

This is the link to Google Maps sisteron, where you can find the photos.

Google maps

FlightlessParrot 23rd May 2021 10:02

The French government site allows searching with a wildcard, so I've done F-%LDE and come up with nothing appropriate (on that site, % is the wildcard character).

Aerodrome Sisteron is the site of two companies into electric flight. Electravia provided the batteries for a Cri-Cri that flew the Channel/Manche. E-props makes propellers optimised for electric powered aircraft; two firms with splendidly transparent names, but a Google search produces no images that look anything like this creature. Anyway, our object seems to have upward pointing exhaust stacks, apparently six per nacelle. Is that plausible?

EDITED: I wrote this before seeing the engine identified: they're intakes, if it is the Hirth, which looks likely.

Self loading bear 24th May 2021 17:41

With no new reactions or suggestions posted for 1 day, I think we have to acknowledge our defeat.
I am in contact with the aeroclub in Sisteron. When they might come forward with additional info I will of course let you know.

Sadly I have to declare OH.

Asturias56 24th May 2021 17:57

Jeez!! I thought YOU knew Bear...............................

It's defeated us all................... :(

DownWest 24th May 2021 21:07

Props looked like Warp-drives. Had one on the Rotax 912 powered Merlin GT.

meleagertoo 25th May 2021 11:30

They don't feather, do they? That thing'd flip on it's back like a Liverpool virgin if an engine stopped!

DownWest 25th May 2021 18:22

No, Ground adjustable pitch only.

FlightlessParrot 27th May 2021 05:24

My entries rarely take more than a couple of hours, but lest the thread lapse into inanition, here's something.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....367ffce98d.jpg

Noyade 27th May 2021 05:52

G'day FP.

I'm gonna lock my undercarriage answer in as the Renard Epervier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renard_Epervier

Asturias56 27th May 2021 07:42

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotax_912

In the Marie Celeste Challenge I thought I'd follow the possible Rotax clue - and came up with the list as per the link - after 20 minutes systematically going though I lost the will to live................


Self loading bear 27th May 2021 20:56


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11052228)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotax_912

In the Marie Celeste Challenge I thought I'd follow the possible Rotax clue - and came up with the list as per the link - after 20 minutes systematically going though I lost the will to live................

You would have been better of looking at Hirth:
Hirth 3701

That list is shorter.
So will lead you faster to nowhere.

FlightlessParrot 28th May 2021 08:20

The statutory 24 hours having passed, I can now reveal that it took Noyade 28 minutes to identify the Renard Espervier (the 2bis, to be precise).

Over to Noyade to find something between the impossible and the ludicrously obvious, as the last two have evidently been.

Noyade 29th May 2021 00:35

Thanks FP.


Originally Posted by FlightlessParrot (Post 11052842)
find something between the impossible and the ludicrously obvious,

A tough ask, but here goes....


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8f3d221440.jpg


Noyade 30th May 2021 07:08

First clue.
This a 4 engine aircraft. Two tractor, two pusher.

Self loading bear 30th May 2021 10:00


Originally Posted by Noyade (Post 11053878)
First clue.
This a 4 engine aircraft. Two tractor, two pusher.

The Fokker F-32 fits the bill but not the photo.

General question:
Am I correct that there has never been a Naca cowling developed for aft engines?

Beamr 30th May 2021 17:58

Dornier Do-K3

OH if correct, I've no idea what all has been handled.

Self loading bear 30th May 2021 20:38


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11054181)
Dornier Do-K3

OH if correct, I've no idea what all has been handled.

you can do a search in the thread.
But in the 3? Years it is running I have never done a search myself and remember only 2 cockpit doubles:
Yours and the Starship.
Edit the name that flying machine thread is running (restarted) also 3 years ago.
I do not recall doubles here.

Noyade 31st May 2021 12:23


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11054181)
Dornier Do-K3.

That's him. :ok:
Open House declared.


Asturias56 3rd Jun 2021 15:01

Not many of these ever built.............

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f8ab4b10b7.jpg

Asturias56 5th Jun 2021 07:44

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1be78fde1c.jpg
and not many pictures either...............

Self loading bear 12th Jun 2021 18:15

Fleet model 2 could be a match?

Asturias56 13th Jun 2021 08:19

Go East (or West) young man - I think they only built a couple..................

India Four Two 15th Jun 2021 04:28

Land of the Rising Sun?

Asturias56 15th Jun 2021 08:03

No but a lot closer ............................. pre WW2

sycamore 15th Jun 2021 20:16

Chinese Naval Air Establishment Chiang Hung floatplane....
Open House...if correct

Asturias56 16th Jun 2021 07:35

At last!!! Sycamore does it! I could only find a couple of pictures so it was hard to keep u p interest

OH called

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8eeb0b2519.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9a7e6cab6d.jpg

India Four Two 16th Jun 2021 21:28

Somewhat newer:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3be3056c7c.png


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