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Self loading bear 17th Nov 2020 10:57


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10928430)
Your turn will come Bear!

I sure hope not!

I do not know why Evansb has been zapped but I think surely enough not because of his postings on H&N.
Let’s be clear I certainly do not want to start any discussion about that on this part of the forum.

Welcome back Evansb!

FlightlessParrot 18th Nov 2020 00:09

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....eb10e836c6.png

Let us try this for an Open House.


treadigraph 18th Nov 2020 07:25

Is it Antipodean?

Asturias56 18th Nov 2020 12:32

Its bloody ugly for sure..................

zetec2 18th Nov 2020 17:48

Something like a grown up ugly Dromader

India Four Two 18th Nov 2020 18:18


It’s bloody ugly for sure..................
... and not helped by the unfortunate paint scheme.

sycamore 18th Nov 2020 21:46

Japanese.....?

FlightlessParrot 18th Nov 2020 22:08


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 10929867)
Japanese.....?

You could say that, but it would be debatable.

FlightlessParrot 19th Nov 2020 00:44


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 10929246)
Is it Antipodean?

No, not guilty (nor, AFAIK, did it inspire the Airtruk).

FlightlessParrot 19th Nov 2020 00:45


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10929496)
Its bloody ugly for sure..................

Well, yes, but this is definitely not its best side. And it came from an ugly time.

treadigraph 19th Nov 2020 07:39


Originally Posted by FlightlessParrot (Post 10929933)
No, not guilty (nor, AFAIK, did it inspire the Airtruk).

Yep, that was my starting point!

treadigraph 19th Nov 2020 08:00

Reminds me of the Hants and Sussex Herald on steroids...

FlightlessParrot 19th Nov 2020 08:19


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 10930056)
Reminds me of the Hants and Sussex Herald on steroids...

So I looked that up, and when I saw it had a tricycle undercarriage, I wondered what poor kid had had their tricycle stolen.

Is it time for a clue? Although may people think this aircraft would be a candidate for ugliest ever, it's not so bad, though it doesn't live up to its raptor name.

fauteuil volant 19th Nov 2020 08:36

Could it be named after the Andean Condor - big, bald and ugly!

FlightlessParrot 19th Nov 2020 09:45


Originally Posted by fauteuil volant (Post 10930071)
Could it be named after the Andean Condor - big, bald and ugly!

Has anybody ever made an aeroplane called the Turkey? Or the Dodo--surely there must have been a Blackburn Dodo. But the name of this aircraft was rather the opposite of its appearance. Another, slightly later and very different machine from the same part of the world had the same name.

fauteuil volant 19th Nov 2020 10:48

There have been some odd avian names used for British aeroplanes - such as the Granger Archaeopteryx and the Alula Semiquaver - but things get better when it comes to mammalian names, such as the Martinsyde Elephant, Sopwith Wallaby, Blackburn Kangaroo, Parnall Possum (presumably the last three were intended for the Australian market), BAT Baboon, Westland Weasel, De Havilland Hyena, Hawker Hedgehog, Baynes Carrier Wing Bat and Armstrong-Whitworth Ape and Armadillo. Amphibians were not left out, ergo the Armstrong-Whitworth Tadpole. Nor were insects (Parmentier Wee Mite), fish (Bognor Bloater) or molluscs (Sopwith Snail). There were even legendary reptiles (BAT Basilisk). And that's just an overview of the British aircraft industry!



FlightlessParrot 19th Nov 2020 11:25

Well, I had to look up Bognor Bloater to see if someone was testing my gullibility, but there it is, and not even looking bonkers. However, the aeroplane in the photograph was named after a much more appropriate creature, a bird; but a rather ambitious choice if you think of the speed of the aircraft. In what is really more of a trivia point than a clue: the bird which gives its name to this aircraft has been clocked at a speed very nearly twice the cruising speed of the machine.

fauteuil volant 19th Nov 2020 12:23

Well, that suggests a peregrine - but I don't know of one with that name that looks like the aeroplane in the photograph.

treadigraph 19th Nov 2020 12:42

That's what I was thinking - was looking at a list of the fastest birds, surprised to see the Golden Eagle up at number two...

FlightlessParrot 19th Nov 2020 12:42

Peregrine indeed: but don't think English, but a language appropriate to East Asia.

treadigraph 19th Nov 2020 12:46

Ahhhhhhhh so!

fauteuil volant 19th Nov 2020 13:05

..... the Manchurian Manshū Hayabusa?

FlightlessParrot 19th Nov 2020 18:45


Originally Posted by fauteuil volant (Post 10930263)
..... the Manchurian Manshū Hayabusa?

Indeed it is. The Mark II, to be precise. Less repulsive photographs can be found at Manshu Hayabusa

fauteuil volant has control.

fauteuil volant 19th Nov 2020 19:14

Thank you, Flightless Parrot. Here's something only marginally less ugly!

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....57513fd5ef.jpg

evansb 20th Nov 2020 00:13

Looks similar to the U.S. built and designed General Aviation GA-43.

India Four Two 20th Nov 2020 02:11


..... the Manchurian Manshü Hayabusa?
What were they thinking, naming it after the Peregrine Falcon?

Come to think of it though, it's on a par with Fairey naming their lumbering T.S.R.1 after the Swordfish.

Now here's a vehicle that's worthy of the name - the Suzuki Hyabusa, the world's fastest production motorcycle:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....642d87ec50.jpg

The logo is a stylized version of the Han character for Peregrine Falcon:
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f2898792c2.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Hayabusa

FlightlessParrot 20th Nov 2020 06:18


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 10930641)
What were they thinking, naming it after the Peregrine Falcon?

I guess they were being aspirational. A closer Hayabusa was this:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b37d008982.png
Nakajima Ki-43

The photograph is chosen to illustrate what they did before Photoshop.

fauteuil volant 20th Nov 2020 06:21

Indeed, evansb, but one would expect the aeroplane in the photograph to look like a GA-43 when it is a GA-43! Over to you, sir, assuming that you now have sufficient qualifying posts.

evansb 20th Nov 2020 20:20

Not yet, but darn near.. regretfully OPEN HOUSE.

Asturias56 21st Nov 2020 16:27

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8763f81ca2.jpg

fauteuil volant 21st Nov 2020 16:48

General Aircraft Monospar ST-18 Croydon?

treadigraph 21st Nov 2020 17:30

They named an aircraft after Croydon? Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs...

Asturias56 22nd Nov 2020 07:31

21 minutes - before FV get it - hard to get a picture that didn't give it away I'm afraid - it was pretty distinctive. From Google:-

The General Aircraft ST-18 Croydon was a 1930s British cabin monoplane built by General Aircraft Limited (who were originally Croydon based).Following the mixed success of the earlier Monospar family of aircraft, the company designed a ten-seat light transport, the ST-18 (later named Croydon). Due to the longer-span wing, it was not a cantilever monospar wing but had to be fitted with bracing struts. The ST-18 was a low-wing monoplane, with a conventional tail unit and tailwheel landing gear, and hydraulically retractable main gear. It was powered by two Pratt & It was powered by two Pratt & Whitney Wasp Junior radial engines mounted on the wing leading edges. It had a crew of three, and a cabin for ten passengers, a toilet and baggage compartment.[1]

On 16 November 1935, the sole aircraft (T22, later G-AECB) first flew at Hanworth Aerodrome, piloted by Harry M. Schofield. It performed well, but did not attract any orders, so the aircraft was prepared to establish a record for an Australia to England flight. On 30 July 1936, Lord Sempill, Harold "Tim" Wood, and two other crew left Croydon Airport for Australia. On 7 October 1936, during the return flight from Darwin, navigation errors occurred during the flight over the Timor Sea, and the aircraft made a successful forced landing on a coral reef (Seringapatam Reef). The crew members were immediately transported off the reef by local fishermen, and the aircraft was abandoned.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....53f88ca803.jpg

Our French based friend has the con......

India Four Two 22nd Nov 2020 12:01


... navigation errors occurred during the flight over the Timor Sea ...
Some error! :eek:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....288c20d03f.png

fauteuil volant 22nd Nov 2020 16:16

Thank you, Asturias56. The Monospars are always distinctive in their forward areas because, unlike so many twins, the engine cowlings and the nose are broadly inline (rather than the former being aft of the latter).

Continuing with the use of cropping, here's an image that I've cropped to exclude this aeroplane's most distinctive feature.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....19a0fe1fc3.jpg

fauteuil volant 23rd Nov 2020 15:46

Here's an obscure clue. A later version of this aeroplane bore the same name as song written by Mickey Jupp!

Self loading bear 23rd Nov 2020 19:41

That must be either
Pilot
or
Make it fly

Self loading bear 23rd Nov 2020 20:44

After some more searching I think that plane must be named:
“You ‘ll never get me up in one of those”

I think the Tandem wing Taupin 12?

Asturias56 24th Nov 2020 07:43

"typewriter

Claggin' on

Boxes & Tins

all seem to fit................

Self loading bear 24th Nov 2020 20:45

Today I received this rather curious PM from Fauteuil Volant:

Good morning SLB

For some reason unknown to me, someone unknown to me appears to have decided to deny me access to the Aviation History & Nostalgia Board (but not, curiously, the rest of the forum). For that reason I've not been able to respond to the posts, subsequent to my clue of yesterday, on the 'Name that Flying Machine' topic. Thus would you please do me a favour and, by way of a valedictory comment, post that the mystery aeroplane is the Peyret/SFCA Taupin and the Mickey Jupp song, offered as a clue, is 'Cross Country', the Taupin having been developed, post-war, as the Lignel 44 Cross Country. And if you'll do so, that will conclude my involvement with that topic and, in all probability, the PPRuNe forum.

Regards Fauteuil Volant

I do not know if there have been any or previous exchanges between the mods and Fauteuil.
I do not want to start any discussion on that.
I do hope that this is all some kind of error or mistake and that we may welcome back Fauteuil in the near future.

My next challenge:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....324798a0a.jpeg





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