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teusje 29th Apr 2023 08:29

You are right, Noyade,
Over to you.

Noyade 29th Apr 2023 22:58


Originally Posted by teusje (Post 11427013)
It's first flight was about 1,5 year later than the SF.260.

Thanks teusje. A rough idea of the year involved is always helpful. :ok:


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6218e5ba38.jpg

Noyade 1st May 2023 02:11

1966 again.
Only two built.
Al Mooney assisted in the design.

Asturias56 1st May 2023 07:54

Those wings look a bit short!

Asturias56 2nd May 2023 16:23

Piper Arapaho?

Noyade 3rd May 2023 04:25

Not from Piper.
Wingspan is 28' 6".
Flying magazine says there was less than 30mm between the prop-tips and fuselage.
Aerofiles reasons for non-manufacture include -

poor single-engine performance, stall speeds too high, climb speeds too low, and engine nacelles set to close, according to Al Mooney, who was a consultant.
Company creator was a WW2 pilot whose surname is shared with a Simpsons character who owns a nuclear power plant.

Very prominent T-tail on a rotund fuselage.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0f8002b406.png



India Four Two 3rd May 2023 06:44

The Simpsons clue led me to the Burns BA-42.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5388ba1e2b.png

Noyade 4th May 2023 05:41

That's him. :ok:
All yours Simon.

India Four Two 5th May 2023 03:20

Thanks Noyade. An interesting aircraft that I had never heard of.

How about this one?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....593718a571.png

oldpax 5th May 2023 08:38

Big aeroplane!
 
It was on fb a few days ago!Same photo! I have no replacement so will keep quite!It had a large nosewheel!

Noyade 7th May 2023 01:15


Originally Posted by oldpax (Post 11430397)
It had a large nosewheel!


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9b83412ebf.jpg


India Four Two 7th May 2023 02:52

Noyade seems to have successfully followed up the trail of the giant nosewheel. Do you want to ID it?


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3ce264eda3.jpg

washoutt 7th May 2023 08:25

It's huge! What could be the reason for such a large nosewheel? Availability of such a part from another aircraft type?

chevvron 7th May 2023 09:00

Looks like the German 'New York' bomber but a lot smaller; Messerschmitt Me 264?

Asturias56 7th May 2023 10:15


Originally Posted by washoutt (Post 11431359)
It's huge! What could be the reason for such a large nosewheel? Availability of such a part from another aircraft type?

designed by Dunlop?

meleagertoo 7th May 2023 12:38

Big low pressure tyre to allow a heavy aircraft to operate from grass?
Or maybe just poor quality rubber preventing reliable high-pressure tyres. We targeted Germany's rubber supplies quite effectively as they were critical to the war effort.

India Four Two 7th May 2023 15:29

Yes, the Me 264 - one of the Amerikabomber candidates.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....00e91dc247.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_264

washoutt, if you think the nose wheel is large, look at the main wheels!

meleagertoo, I think you are probably right. I was surprised to discover that it had a wing loading of 73 lb/sq. ft, which was 6% higher than a B-29.

The relatively high wing loading caused poor climb performance, loss of manoeuvrability, stability and high take-off and landing speeds.
chevvron has control.

chevvron 7th May 2023 15:41

Open House.

meleagertoo 7th May 2023 19:20

Germany wasn't alone in using monstrous tyres.

Brabazon
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8ab9791dfb.png

Comet 1
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....268641f1ab.png

Comet IV
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....80e814146c.png

India Four Two 8th May 2023 00:38

The Beardmore Inflexible trumps the Brab!

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3625fba809.jpg


it's still Open House

chevvron 8th May 2023 05:10


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 11430317)
Thanks Noyade. An interesting aircraft that I had never heard of.

How about this one?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....593718a571.png

I actually heard about this one in about 1961 in the pages of 'RAF Flying Review' before it became 'Flying Review International'. The photo it showed gave the impression it was the same size as a B29 especially with the 'glasshouse' nose.

Asturias56 8th May 2023 17:52

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6c8f859e8a.jpg
Try this one

BEagle 8th May 2023 19:05

Itsy bitsy.....


Asturias56 9th May 2023 07:17

Could be........................ several versions - but lets not picky
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f9a03e40a7.jpg

meleagertoo 9th May 2023 09:02

Bit of a give-away, that!

BEagle 9th May 2023 09:40

Parker Teenie Two

As in Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie, my clue earlier?

chevvron 9th May 2023 10:16

Canopy is totally different; picture shown is a one piece blown bubble canopy whereas the illustration in Wiki shows a canopy in at least 3 sections, one of which is hinged to open.

meleagertoo 9th May 2023 14:29

Well, N62307 is a homebuilt called a Froheling. Clearly not the same aircraft (or not in the same configuration) as the original pic though though there are similarities.
I've found nothing on the internet about it apart from its FAA registration details sheet and no model name is given.

Asturias56 9th May 2023 15:04

There are all sorts of pics different final builds as far as I can see - I think this was from the days when you got the plans and did what you damned well liked - not the modern "airfix" build type of homebuilt - I will confirm tomorrow

meleagertoo 9th May 2023 19:14

I certainly found pics of the Parker Teenie Two that fit the tail pic perfectly but none with the low-back and bubble canopy though that feature is mentioned in passing.
What surprised me was the 'quality' (or lack of it) in some of the tinwork depicted. Clearly it was intended as stated for construction by non-aircraft buiding and non metalwork experienced DIYers with domestic tools. Seems some of them took all that a bit more literally than makes me feel confortable!

Asturias56 10th May 2023 07:34

Its a Parker Teenie Two so Beagle has control

The bubble canopy is one in Croatia - everyone looks different as far as I can see. I understand the plans cost USD 1000 back in the late '60's.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3166b98fbf.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8dec5009e2.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e504e97b53.jpg


BEagle 10th May 2023 07:49

Thanks!

Here you go:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....57ce1d046c.jpg

chevvron 10th May 2023 08:59

TSR 11 aka Swordfish?

BEagle 10th May 2023 09:14

Nope!

...........

Asturias56 10th May 2023 09:56

Italian?

BEagle 10th May 2023 12:44

Nope

..............

Asturias56 10th May 2023 15:16

Awful lot of bracing wires - long tublar gunsight as well

American?

BEagle 10th May 2023 17:51

Nope!

.............

oncemorealoft 10th May 2023 19:27

Blackburn Shark?

BEagle 10th May 2023 22:04

Nope!

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