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treadigraph 27th Mar 2023 15:32

Ah, Hawker Tempest I... ?

sycamore 27th Mar 2023 15:36

Typhoon II/Tempest I HM599,Sabre IV,extended radiator ducting on wing l/edge,and revised front cowling.

OH if correct....

Beaten by Treadds..

BEagle 27th Mar 2023 16:14

treadigraph, you have control!

It was indeed HM599, the sole example of the very clean prototype Tempest I.

The latter days of the Tempest V amused me. Being posted to fly the RAF's last and most powerful single piston engined fighter at RAF Sylt, a German holiday resort much frequented by naturists, was considered to be a 'bad boys posting'!!

treadigraph 27th Mar 2023 17:22

I started off thinking Griffon Fury!

Try this one which popped up on Google...

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....89c86ad21e.jpg

sycamore 27th Mar 2023 17:57

Good articles in `Aeroplane` about what ` might have been`.....

meleagertoo 27th Mar 2023 19:57

Option Air Reno Acapella, a zombie-child mutation made from bits of Bede BD5s, of all things.
If I was going to design an aeroplane I think I'd have started somewhere else!
Still, it looks pretty and was evidently fast.


treadigraph 28th Mar 2023 15:07

Out on a pub crawl in London, so before I get dragged onto the next establishment and potential oblivion, I'll declare Meleagertoo correct!

meleagertoo 28th Mar 2023 18:01

Here's an easy one


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d93fe4e0db.png

sycamore 28th Mar 2023 21:34

At a guess...French...?

Noyade 28th Mar 2023 22:18


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11410434)
Here's an easy one

Clever cropping of the Bellanca tri-motor?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ed9e0f16df.jpg


BEagle 28th Mar 2023 22:39

Full image - spot the trouser legs!!

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e4c1d23c16.jpg

Bellanca 28-92 indeed!

dduxbury310 29th Mar 2023 01:45

A bit weird, having two completely different types of engines (although of generally similar configuration, inverted, in-line six cylinder, air cooled); must have been some reason for the designer to go down that route! Actually, I suspect the centre engine (Ranger), by its unusual, triangular-shaped air intake was an inverted V-12 (V-770), as used in a few aircraft, such as a single engine lightweight fighter (P-77?) and an infamous Curtiss 2-seater seaplane for US Navy, built in some hundreds.

meleagertoo 29th Mar 2023 09:57

Once again Noyade pulls the rabbit out of the hat.

Asturias56 29th Mar 2023 15:33

I have this vision of him sitting surrounded by a million volumes of aircraft pictures and he looks at our pathetic offerings, thinks, spins around and pulls the right picture out at once............... ;)

meleagertoo 29th Mar 2023 19:39

It sometimes feels a bit like that! So many of these challenges are craft I've never even heard of before (as are almost all that I now choose) even after a professional aviation career as a 'bit of' an aviation nut.
Still, to we mere journeyman aviators the virtuoso is rightfully an object of some awe as he sits at his unrestricted universal aviation rolodex and just flicks up the right image...
Roger Bacon was right. Few of us are cut out to be T.A.P.s

Allright Mephisto, do your worst!

Noyade 29th Mar 2023 22:24

Thanks Mel!


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11411066)
I have this vision of him sitting surrounded by a million volumes of aircraft pictures

As time marches on I do find I spend more and more time on the PC looking for these machines rather than looking through paper references. The computing power of my mobile phone alone would be greater than anything I have on bookshelves. I found the Bellanca on my phone in bed with a dog on my lap. In fact, for most of two years now I haven't been able to reach many bookshelves due to Achilles tendon reconstruction to both feet. :ouch:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....edac94bcaf.jpg

But I'm more ambulant now and back at work, so I did reach for a book to scan this one.......:ok:


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e3b7d3cdb0.jpg




Asturias56 30th Mar 2023 08:29


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11411205)
It sometimes feels a bit like that! So many of these challenges are craft I've never even heard of before (as are almost all that I now choose) even after a professional aviation career as a 'bit of' an aviation nut.
Still, to we mere journeyman aviators the virtuoso is rightfully an object of some awe as he sits at his unrestricted universal aviation rolodex and just flicks up the right image...
Roger Bacon was right. Few of us are cut out to be T.A.P.s

Allright Mephisto, do your worst!

Correct - a true TAP

Asturias56 30th Mar 2023 08:31

lets guess - European?

Noyade 30th Mar 2023 21:03

Not European.
I was trying a meleagertoo crop - of another tri-motor.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b06fd9b549.jpg

I will probably regret asking - but what sort of person is a T.A.P?

sycamore 30th Mar 2023 21:53

Total Aviation Person..:D

India Four Two 31st Mar 2023 04:22


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 11411857)
Total Aviation Person..:D

A phrase coined by "Roger Bacon", purported writer of the "Straight and Level" page at the back of Flight International.

https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-...l-and-farewell

Asturias56 31st Mar 2023 07:55

"Flight " has always run a really good quiz just before Christmas - one way to be a "TAP" is to get most of the answers right.

"Uncle" Roger Bacon was the (fictional) name of writer who wrote "Straight & Level" - the irreverent final page of each edition of Flight

Straight & Level still graces the monthly edition but IIRC they retired Uncle Roger when they went to a monthly edition.

Asturias56 31st Mar 2023 08:08

the cockpit looks bit like a Fokker XX but its not

I think its the Ogden Osprey.......................
The Ogden Osprey was a three engine, high wing monoplane airliner which seated six. Designed in the United States and first flown in the spring of 1930 or earlier, six were built and some used commercially before Ogden Aeronautical ceased trading in the Great Depressio

treadigraph 31st Mar 2023 08:30

Roger Bacon was (mostly) the late Mike Ramsden; one of our fellow PPRuNers, also very sadly late and greatly missed, was an erstwhile defence editor at Flight and seemed to share JMR's wonderful sense of humour so I suspect he may have shouldered some of the responsibilities of producing Straight and Level each week. Haven't read Flight in a very long time - not even surreptitiously in Smiths - so no idea if S&L and TAPs are still prevalent amidst its august pages...

Noyade 31st Mar 2023 11:30


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11412062)
I think its the Ogden Osprey

It is indeed. Over to you A56. I'm not the only TAP here then. :ok:

Asturias56 31st Mar 2023 11:39

I still subscribe and S&L is still there in the monthly print edition (TBH I find the web based stuff a turnoff) - there are occasional references to TAPs but the humour isn't quite so edgy

In the latest edition (march 23) they have a go at Megans claimed flight on ANZ from Mexico to the UK (?). problems with mobile phones at an Airbus event, retained domain names for dead airlines and the horror of seeing O'Leary having to host a Ryanair press event in a luxury London Hotel with canapes instead of the usual shack with coffee and boiled sweets. They also do "From the Archive - 1923. '48, '73 & '98"


meleagertoo 31st Mar 2023 12:42

Surreptitiously reading Flight (or rather scanning the Jobs pages) in Smiths because you couldn't afford to buy it. That takes me back!

Asturias56 31st Mar 2023 12:48


Originally Posted by Noyade (Post 11412177)
It is indeed. Over to you A56. I'm not the only TAP here then. :ok:

took forever..................

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....87d21547d8.jpg

treadigraph 31st Mar 2023 13:15

I bought Flight weekly for a while, then discovered Pilot circa 1983. But S&L drew me like a Siren's call, so a quick shufti each week was a must.

meleagertoo 31st Mar 2023 16:07

Are we looking at a tailwheel?

oncemorealoft 31st Mar 2023 23:02

Miles Marathon

Asturias56 1st Apr 2023 08:41

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6050921a56.jpg
wait 24 hours......................

Asturias56 2nd Apr 2023 08:59

Oncemorealoft has it - the Miles/HP Marathon

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5107c8720c.jpg

oncemorealoft 2nd Apr 2023 11:13

Thank you. Open House please.

BEagle 2nd Apr 2023 11:37

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fea7b5dbee.jpg
Here you go!!

chevvron 2nd Apr 2023 11:45

Looks like the Martin -Baker MB5 but it can't be as that had contra rotating props.

BEagle 2nd Apr 2023 11:48

Correct - it isn't the MB5!

Asturias56 2nd Apr 2023 16:22

looks like a big engine but the cockpit is well forward - I have a nagging sense I've seen it before - back to the William Green books I think

chevvron 2nd Apr 2023 16:41

'cockpit is well forward' like as in Fairey Firefly?

sycamore 2nd Apr 2023 18:08

Possibly the Folland f108 testbed???


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