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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 08:52
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N Hemisphere or Southern hemisphere?
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 09:13
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North of the Equator.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 09:40
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Fairchild Packet......Not sure of the military des....
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 10:30
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I'm think I'm turning Japanese?
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 11:43
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yes - something like a Kawanishi 8K??
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 15:51
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I'm pretty sure it is this "Emily" in Makin Lagoon

https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/h...980/boat2.html

https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/h8k/makin.html



Aircraft History
Built by Kawanishi. Delivered to the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) as Type 2 Flying Boat (H8K2 Emily). Assigned to an unknown Kokutai. Painted with green upper surfaces and gray lower surfacesWartime History
On September 18, 1943 moored in Makin Lagoon at King's Wharf at Makin Island and strafed by U. S. Navy (USN) F6F Hellcats and disabled. Afterwards, the Japanese removed the engines and removable equipment.

On November 20, 1943 after the U. S. Marine Corps (USMC) landing on Makin Island, Japanese defenders took up positions inside the wreckage of this Emily. On November 21, 1943 M4 Sherman tanks fired at the wreckage to eliminate them.

Wreckage
After the battle, the largely intact front half was photographed wuth U. S. Marines marching by on the beach and looking at the wreckage. Since the 1970s, the nose section is missing. Today, it has collapsed and is lying with the wings on the sand.

Stan Gajda adds:
"High tide goes about half way up the fuselage sides and at low tide you can walk around it. The rear part of the keel is nearby upside-down."

References
After The Battle Issue 15: page 29-30, back cover






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Old 4th Jan 2021, 00:08
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Robinson Crusoe has looked at his sundial and determined that a whole solar day has passed and so is able to announce a winner.

Planemike,
I suppose it could be the very rare four-engined Fairchild Packet with the planing hull, but Asturias has it.

Emily, the “Sunderland-san” at Makin Island.




There’s certainly a lot of military history associated with an island I had never heard of before.

Besides Asturias’ links above, this one is interesting:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/u...t-carrier.html

Doris Miller was working as a mess attendant on the battleship West Virginia the morning of Dec. 7, 1941, when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. An alarm sounded, and as the ship drew heavy fire, Mr. Miller raced to assist the West Virginia’s fatally wounded commanding officer. He also fired a machine gun against enemy planes.

For his bravery and “distinguished devotion to duty” that day, Mr. Miller was awarded the prestigious Navy Cross, the second-highest military decoration, in 1942, making him the first African-American to receive the medal.

He was killed at Makin Island, when the USS Liscome Bay was torpedoed.

Il mio amico Asturias ha il controllo

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Old 4th Jan 2021, 08:29
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Grazie I42. - the closest I 've been to Makin Is. is Nauru

Doris Miller is of course to be commemorated by naming the Ford Class carrier CVN-81 after him

Hmmmm - lets try something more pedestrian.... a long way from Makin Island


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Old 4th Jan 2021, 17:20
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I'll look forward to the reception Pompey'll give the sailors of the 'Doris Miller' if they visit!
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Old 4th Jan 2021, 17:35
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He was named Doris, as the midwife who assisted his mother was convinced that the baby would be female.
I'm reminded of Johnny Cash's song:
And some guy'd laugh and I'd bust his head,
I tell ya, life ain't easy for a boy named "Sue".
I expect the crew of CVN-81 will use his nickname - Dorie.
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 15:49
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They built over 70 of the Challenge but tin several different models- which superficially look quite different
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Old 5th Jan 2021, 16:00
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Is it a Klemm/BA Swallow?

Edit: no, huge numbers built!
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 08:45
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Eastern European?
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 13:37
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Far from Eastern Europe.........................
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Seems to be 2 variants,as cockpit shows curved section in first photo,and square in 2nd/side by side.7/9 cyl radial,LH prop,possibly Lynx engine...? Japanese..?
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Old 6th Jan 2021, 16:32
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Japan is even further away that E Europe I'm afraid.

It had a Wright R-760 I think giving 240 hp.

The builder is still in business

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Old 6th Jan 2021, 19:10
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The Argentinian FMA Ae. C.1 ?

The engine doesn't look like a Wright radial, more like an Armstrong-Siddeley radial.







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Old 7th Jan 2021, 18:54
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Its actually supposed to be an FMA Ae 2 - in various guises but the various versions of the 2 differ so much its hard to tell if they are the same or different to the FMA 1

We could argue forever so I' feel Evans has it - amazing they built over 70 of them pre WW2







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Old 7th Jan 2021, 20:20
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Thank you. The aircraft in the initial photo is indeed an FMA Ae.C.1. I would paste a URL to airwar ru to confirm, but because of my lowly status I am prohibited from pasting URLs, as well as being prohibited from posting a new challenge. It is OPEN HOUSE.
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