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Old 23rd Dec 2020, 22:47
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Two built, only one flew.

Unlike the Gloster III, it was never on floats but it was re-engined and became an air racer. It competed in three races and won one.



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Old 24th Dec 2020, 07:58
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Are we in the UK in the last picture?

reminds me of Farnborough
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Old 24th Dec 2020, 17:46
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Verville VCP
re-motorized with Packard engine
Verville-Packard R-1
The last photo from Etampes France
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Slb has got it. A very early example of a streamlined biplane, built in 1920. A surprisingly high wing-loading of 14.9 lb/sq.ft., compared with its contemporaries - Sopwith Snipe 7.5 lb/sq.ft., Nieuport Nighthawk 8 lb/sq.ft., Curtiss Hawk 11.8 lb/sq.ft., Boeing PW-9 12 lb/sq.ft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verville_VCP

The picture at Etampes was taken during the September 1920 Gordon Bennett* race, where it didn't finish due to overheating problems. Two months later, back across the Atlantic, it won the first Pulitzer Trophy Race at Mitchel Field, Long Island in November 1920, with an average speed of 178 mph over a 320 mile course, finishing 2.5 minutes ahead of the second place finisher - a Thomas Morse Scout.

The VCP came to an unfortunate end in a collision with an automobile, which is probably why no more was heard about it:



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* If you think the Schneider Cup is ugly, you should see the Gordon Bennett Cup :






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Old 25th Dec 2020, 17:51
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Thanks India42,

I have also some interesting silhouettes for this challenge:

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Jona J-6 (with markings removed)?
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Old 27th Dec 2020, 09:12
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Jona J-6 (with markings removed)?
Trust is right the Jona 6
Tilting wing stabilization system

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Old 27th Dec 2020, 09:48
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Tilting wing?? How does that work? To compensate prop gyro effects? Never heard of this mechanism before. Any explanation? Thanks.
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Tilting wing?? How does that work? To compensate prop gyro effects? Never heard of this mechanism before. Any explanation? Thanks.
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The Jona J-6 was a very unusual design: not only was it a cantilever sesquiplane, its lower wing having a span about two thirds that of the upper wing and having a narrower chord but, uniquely, the upper plane was mounted to the fuselage so that it could tilt about a longitudinal axis with respect to the rest of the aircraft. The objective was lateral stability; the ailerons were linked to the fuselage so that if the port wing was raised by a gust its aileron was also raised and that of the starboard wing lowered, automatically correcting the roll.



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That aeroplane looks like a dog that has just been shown a card trick. When I read about it, it sounded like an odd idea, but seeing those photographs makes it look totally bonkers.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 10:20
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Jona J-6 (with markings removed)?
Trust send me a PM that he has some access problems.
We will wait for that to be solved or I will perhaps forward his challenge.
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Originally Posted by Self loading bear
Trust send me a PM that he has some access problems.
We will wait for that to be solved or I will perhaps forward his challenge.
Trust has not yet solved his access problems.
He suggested that I would post another challenge.
I prefer to declare open house.
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He appears to have been suspended for some reason

Locked out of "Aviation History and Nostalgia"
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 09:29
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Ah, I punched "tiltwing" i.l.o "tilting wing" in Wikipedia and only got the Hiller X-18.
I always thought to compensate for asymmetric gusts, you put dihedral to the wings. Or reacting ailerons as in the B-2. Not a tilting wing with reacting ailerons. Very complex indeed.
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Here's an easy one to keep things rolling. Look what I discovered while beach combing on my tropical island:



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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 07:52
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N Hemisphere or Southern hemisphere?
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 08:13
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North of the Equator.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 08:40
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Fairchild Packet......Not sure of the military des....
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 09:30
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I'm think I'm turning Japanese?
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yes - something like a Kawanishi 8K??
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