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Old 26th Dec 2022, 14:21
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It was Beagle that gave it away - I hadn't noticed the four gear lights!

Here's an easy one for post-Christmas perusal. I expect we've had it before.

"I've never seen so many bleedin' dials!"





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Old 26th Dec 2022, 15:03
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I remember seeing (and certainly hearing!) that aeroplane at the 1969 Paris Air Show!

With all 10 engines running!!
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Old 26th Dec 2022, 17:08
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A noble effort from a noble company with a noble heritage.
They made an impressive and largely workable effort but merely 'workable' simply didn't cut it in that arena at the time.
It took a just one engine, not 10 to show the world how.
A lesson no one has recalled or exceeded until quite recently, and even then I await being really persuaded...

Still, I doff may cap to thse guys. They pushed the technology along and with some elegance too.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 01:24
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Still, I doff may cap to thse guys. They pushed the technology along and with some elegance too.
and they very wisely installed MB Mk 6 zero-zero seats.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 08:15
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The nose of the '31 always reminded me of some sort of future Luft '46 machine.


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Old 27th Dec 2022, 15:46
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Noyade has it - the Dornier Do 31. I thought the nose was very reminiscent of the He 111.

I don't have access to my copy of John Farley's book 'A View from the Hover', but I bet he didn't think much of it. I wonder how many engines they failed on one side during testing!

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Old 27th Dec 2022, 16:03
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" I wonder how many engines they failed on one side during testing!"

I suspect none - it would need all of them all the time to get off the ground - I always wondered just how much fuel they had to carry for all those engines............
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 16:28
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Deflected jet Meteor RA490 fitted with two RR Nenes could be flown at speeds as low as 70KIAS. No bang seat, so an engine failure on the approach at 70KIAS would have been.....most interesting, to say the least.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 21:58
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Thanks Simon - but there were those first on the scene before me.
So, an easy on in return...



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Old 27th Dec 2022, 23:20
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Beechcraft T-34 Mentor?
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Old 28th Dec 2022, 11:49
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[/QUOTE]The flap and spoiler quadrant would have been a giveaway! I am intrigued by the markings on the flap quadrant - lift, neutral and drag. Does anyone have a copy of the Pilot's Notes?

Also the Spoiler handle was a surprise. I have not seen any references to spoilers nor in any pictures, particularly in this cutaway:

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There you go https://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2m...stry_1945).pdf
Para 8 refers to the Airbrake Control
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Old 28th Dec 2022, 22:48
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Originally Posted by oncemorealoft
Beechcraft T-34 Mentor?
That's him!
Your control oncemorealoft.

It was a Mentor that featured in an episode of The Six Million Dollar Man where the aircraft was fitted with a device that with a flick of a switch - became invisible to radar. Or something like that.







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Old 29th Dec 2022, 12:17
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Sorry for the delay. Open House please.
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Old 15th Jan 2023, 10:47
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Not much of a view!




I love the Chipmunk-style mag switches on the left!
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Old 16th Jan 2023, 01:00
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A second teaser perhaps?
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Old 16th Jan 2023, 02:56
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A second teaser? Then this one is specially for you, asw!



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Old 16th Jan 2023, 03:41
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Now things are getting fishy!
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Old 16th Jan 2023, 03:49
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You are confirming my suspicion that many glider pilots are TAPs.

It occurred to me the other day that I had never seen images of the rear seat(s) of either of these types.
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Old 16th Jan 2023, 04:36
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I have seen the latter seat in the flesh at an air-show in the 70's, though not the former. A capital idea to explore some of the other seats in the respective cockpits.
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Old 16th Jan 2023, 05:44
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Yes, the two-winged master race have been getting too much of the limelight! 😄
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