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Old 13th Jul 2010, 11:51
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Thanks LM & Skytrain Did you find F-AMAP on the register section of Aviation française, un siècle d'histoire - Aviafrance ?. The odd thing is that the type database on the same site does not list a H.80 or LH.80 under Lorraine Hanriot or Hanriot.

If it is the Lorraine Hanriot H.80 then this shot, on a postcard-back photo
looks like it may be unique.

A swerver is that the name Lorraine-Hanriot appears not to have been used before 1930 and the subject looks more early 20s.

Although it could be anywhere in Northern France the background tree pattern on the full picture is very like contemporary views of le Bourget.

Unless someone can find a picture of the Lorraine Hanriot to prove or disprove I guess that is as far as we will get , so i may as well restore open house However if there are any advances I can always be reached by PM.
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Hi Doug...I use this website for historic registrations: http://www.goldenyears.ukf.net/reg_F-.htm.
The Aviafrance site is useful but as I have discovered, it is not totally comprehensive...take the recent Midgy Club aircraft as a good example.
I will keep looking....certainly the Lorraine seems the most likely candidate.
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Doug, having looked closely at a Sopwith 1A2 I am beginning to think its that, with as you say, a cabin conversion. F-CMAP was a Sopwith 1A2. Perhaps worth emailing the picture to Mr Parmentier for him to investigate?

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Another French aircraft LM?
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Not this time Ken.

PS, sorry it's not a full silhouette, but this is about the only picture of it and I'm not sure of the lines of the upper fuselage.
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In that case I'm guessing German....and yes I am fishing!

I do have a feeling I've seen this one before....that tail looks very familiar.
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but this is about the only picture of it
I should add "airborne".

German it was.

How many hooks have you got left in your tackle bag......
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This is the fourth challenge of the day so far, so methinks more clues soon to keep it on a roll.
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Last Word on the Mystery Sopwith/Lorraine ?

Sorry to interrupt the current thread but this looks like the clincher. Rough translation from [Pionnair-GE]

01.07.1920 The first flight Paris-Geneva subsidised by the Air Ministry. From Le Bourget, Sopwith 130HP three-seater with passengers in 2 hrs 55min. 1st International air service to Switzerland.


The French register in aviafrance.com lists F-CMAP as a Sopwith Triplace.
The picture looks like le Bourget.
And, if it was a significant flight, there is a reason to produce a postcard of it.

So not only a Sopwith but with a date too.

Thanks all, Doug

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Nice piece of research Doug.
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A racer - fragile it seems.

5 built, 2 crashed.
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that wing looks like a Junkers mate? A test machine for the HA Recce Ju?

SCRAP THAT!!!
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OK, scrapped!

C'mon chaps.

Challenge International de Tourisme
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Klemm KI.36?
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Sorry mate, not a Klemm.
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he64??????????????
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Artnoon LM,

I think its the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (BFW) M.29 Designed by Willy Messerschmitt for the 1932 "Circuit of Europe" races.
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Bingo TC.

All yours.
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Bugger...went straight past that as it had a radial engine...or at least the photo I found had....now I've looked again more closely I see there was an alternative....

I'm sure you are correct Sinco
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