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I'll have a quick crack at it before I go home. Is it the Carmier Dupouy T.10 ? I can't find a picture yet but it seems to fit the clues otherwise.
If it is, then Open House again please. (Added) Probably not coz that seems to have been powered by an Anzani and one WAS built in 1924, maybe a precursor?
It's forecast a relatively toasty zero where I live, but here where I work on Exmoor, it was minus ten last night and it seems to be heading that way again as the skies are crystal clear again and as the hill roads aren't well gritted I'm off home now! Good luck with your quest RR!
If it is, then Open House again please. (Added) Probably not coz that seems to have been powered by an Anzani and one WAS built in 1924, maybe a precursor?
It's forecast a relatively toasty zero where I live, but here where I work on Exmoor, it was minus ten last night and it seems to be heading that way again as the skies are crystal clear again and as the hill roads aren't well gritted I'm off home now! Good luck with your quest RR!
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LM's Challenge
This is the photograph of the Carmier Dupouy T.10 published on Aviafrance.com. Different engine, support struts different and tfin and tailplane different. I wonder if LM's drawing contains a large amount of artist's license!
"This is the photograph of the Carmier Dupouy T.10 published on Aviafrance.com. Different engine, support struts different and tfin and tailplane different. I wonder if LM's drawing contains a large amount of artist's license!"
It's not my drawing.
SincoTC has identified it according to my reference.
Go Google.
SincoTC control would be yours, but you have declared Open House.....
It's not my drawing.
SincoTC has identified it according to my reference.
Go Google.
SincoTC control would be yours, but you have declared Open House.....
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ha bl**dy ha..... as you can see, its a model, but a model of a real concept!
By the way,
I'd suggest that its wrong! Nevertheless, an interesting machine!
RR
By the way,
OK guys, this is from a French aviation history site:
RR
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It is.... Although it wasn't built, this was....
NM-1
full-scale flight data to support the RSR
In autumn 1956 funding was provided for a research aircraft designated NM-1 (Naturnaya Model', life [like] model). This was to be a single flight article with an airframe based upon that of the RSR but simplified, with proven engines and stressed for lighter weights. It was completed in September 1958. On 1st October Amet-Khan Sultan began taxi testing, and he made the first flight on 7th April 1959, with a Yak-25 flying chase. The flight plan called for take-off at 220km/h, but after a tentative hop Sultan actually took off at 325km/h, and jettisoned the dolly at 40m (131ft) at 400km/h (248mph). The dolly broke on hitting the runway (on later flights it had an automatic parachute). Sultan easily corrected a slight rolling motion, and flew a circuit at 1,500m at 500km/h before making a landing at 275km/h (90km/h faster than planned). Altogether Sultan and Radii Zakharov made 32 flights, establishing generally excellent flying qualities (take-off, approach and landing 'easier than MiG or Su aircraft') but confirming neutral or negative stability in roll. NM-1. 
The five-spar 2.5-per-cent wing had constant- chord ailerons and flaps which were unlike those of the RSR. On the tips were two Mikulin (Tumanskii) AM-5 turbojets each rated at 2,000kg (4,409 Ib) thrust, in simple nacelles without inlet centrebodies. The pilot sat in an ejection-seat under a very small canopy; the low-drag RS-4/01 canopy, resembling that of the RSR, was never fitted. Along the centreline were a sprung skid, hydraulically retracted into a long box, and a small tailwheel, while hydraulically extended skids were hinged under the nacelles. For take-offs a jettisonable two-wheel dolly was attached under the main skid. A door under the pointed tailcone released the braking parachute. After the taxi tests, following recommendations from CAHI (TsAGI) small extra wing surfaces were added outboard of the engines. The fuselage contained two kerosene tanks, a hydraulic-fluid tank and a nose water tank to adjust centre of grravity to 25.5 per cent of mean aerodynamic chord.
The NM-1 showed that the basic RSR concept was satisfactory.
(The RSR was a follow on from the RS)
RR
Well done AGAIN Graeme... you have control!!
Those Ruskies are just amazing!!!
NM-1
full-scale flight data to support the RSR
In autumn 1956 funding was provided for a research aircraft designated NM-1 (Naturnaya Model', life [like] model). This was to be a single flight article with an airframe based upon that of the RSR but simplified, with proven engines and stressed for lighter weights. It was completed in September 1958. On 1st October Amet-Khan Sultan began taxi testing, and he made the first flight on 7th April 1959, with a Yak-25 flying chase. The flight plan called for take-off at 220km/h, but after a tentative hop Sultan actually took off at 325km/h, and jettisoned the dolly at 40m (131ft) at 400km/h (248mph). The dolly broke on hitting the runway (on later flights it had an automatic parachute). Sultan easily corrected a slight rolling motion, and flew a circuit at 1,500m at 500km/h before making a landing at 275km/h (90km/h faster than planned). Altogether Sultan and Radii Zakharov made 32 flights, establishing generally excellent flying qualities (take-off, approach and landing 'easier than MiG or Su aircraft') but confirming neutral or negative stability in roll. NM-1. 
The five-spar 2.5-per-cent wing had constant- chord ailerons and flaps which were unlike those of the RSR. On the tips were two Mikulin (Tumanskii) AM-5 turbojets each rated at 2,000kg (4,409 Ib) thrust, in simple nacelles without inlet centrebodies. The pilot sat in an ejection-seat under a very small canopy; the low-drag RS-4/01 canopy, resembling that of the RSR, was never fitted. Along the centreline were a sprung skid, hydraulically retracted into a long box, and a small tailwheel, while hydraulically extended skids were hinged under the nacelles. For take-offs a jettisonable two-wheel dolly was attached under the main skid. A door under the pointed tailcone released the braking parachute. After the taxi tests, following recommendations from CAHI (TsAGI) small extra wing surfaces were added outboard of the engines. The fuselage contained two kerosene tanks, a hydraulic-fluid tank and a nose water tank to adjust centre of grravity to 25.5 per cent of mean aerodynamic chord.
The NM-1 showed that the basic RSR concept was satisfactory.
(The RSR was a follow on from the RS)
RR
Well done AGAIN Graeme... you have control!!
Those Ruskies are just amazing!!!
"adjust centre of gravity to 25.5 per cent of mean aerodynamic chord."
Wanna lecture and calculations of C of G v MAC?
No? Thought not.....
I'll carry on in class then....
...excrement of male cow...
...excrement of male cow... etc.
But I actually have to do this crap...
Wanna lecture and calculations of C of G v MAC?
No? Thought not.....
I'll carry on in class then....
...excrement of male cow...
...excrement of male cow... etc.
But I actually have to do this crap...
Thanks Martin. Still chilly over there? At what temperature does engine oil freeze?
There seems to be a big interest in projects of late and I was wondering if this is because we have to dig deeper into the "what's this?" barrel. Anyway, what do you guys say over there (apart from "f**k it's cold!") "In for a penny in for a pound?"
A generous man would say open house.
So here's the next project. Back to packing. Bet you wish I packed faster.
(David's challenge had an Arrow Active look to it?)
There seems to be a big interest in projects of late and I was wondering if this is because we have to dig deeper into the "what's this?" barrel. Anyway, what do you guys say over there (apart from "f**k it's cold!") "In for a penny in for a pound?"
A generous man would say open house.
So here's the next project. Back to packing. Bet you wish I packed faster.
(David's challenge had an Arrow Active look to it?)
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Nice one mate. Not sure about the engine oil but I'm certain a blokes best bits freeze sooner....... Martin
PS: it was minus 17.7 degrees C at Benson last night and they think it'll be colder tonight (that's near Oxford). Pretty bloody cold for the south!!!
Oh, and projects? You could be right but my last was really geared to the NM-1 and I thought the RS would throw you off the scent!!! Nevertheless, the RS was the correct machine..... Well done..
PS: it was minus 17.7 degrees C at Benson last night and they think it'll be colder tonight (that's near Oxford). Pretty bloody cold for the south!!!
Oh, and projects? You could be right but my last was really geared to the NM-1 and I thought the RS would throw you off the scent!!! Nevertheless, the RS was the correct machine..... Well done..
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"but I'm certain a blokes best bits freeze sooner......."
WOT?
"PS: it was 17.7 degrees C at Benson last night"
Blimey,
I wish it was here. We only start to get that sort of temperature around June.....
WOT?
"PS: it was 17.7 degrees C at Benson last night"
Blimey,
I wish it was here. We only start to get that sort of temperature around June.....