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Old 10th Jul 2011, 07:59
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Is that a hint that it was Russian?
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A Moskalyev, HP?
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Morning all,

HP, is it the Antonov M of about 1947 ??

Regrettably, I'm heading for a few hours in the workshop right now, so Open House please if correct
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Old 10th Jul 2011, 10:20
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Hi all.
Sinco is spot on, as usual: first version of the Antonov M fighter project.

Open House
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Morning HP.

I looked in earlier but nothing was going on.

Along the same lines then......

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Morning LM, I took a quick peek at around 7am GMT, thought a while about posting something and then decided against it.

I'll try Mitsubishi ATD-X F-3B Shinshin.

What? Wiki says 8 tonnes MTOW & 10 tonnes dry thrust (15 w/ afterburner) for each engine!
There must be an error somewhere!

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Old 10th Jul 2011, 10:46
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If those figures are accurate then it should go like a scalded cat.

Mind you, back in 1968 I was flying the Lightning F3, which on a good day had a thrust / weight ratio of 1. Not too shabby for 43 years ago. The RAF was fun in those days.

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Old 10th Jul 2011, 10:53
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Thanks.

That would mean a thrust/weight ratio of 3.75 with afterburner at MTOW! Even with an engine out on take off and without afterburner the figure would still be 1.25, which to me is unrealistically high! (see Thrust to Weight Ratios of all Fighter Planes)

My guess is that someone needs to learn how to convert between weight units...

Next!
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Old 10th Jul 2011, 10:59
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Blimey!! Where do you find these things?

Looks like some kind of flying bomb project. Japanese?
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Old 10th Jul 2011, 11:02
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He-he! Found a really great site... which I'm going to share after this one is solved because it's to good not to...

No,
and no.
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Old 10th Jul 2011, 11:07
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All I can say (with conviction) is that could never fly with those wings!

Some kind of rocket propulsion system envisaged? If that is an intake at the front it would be a jet.

Wossa stripey lines at the front mean?
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Old 10th Jul 2011, 11:13
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could never fly with those wings!
and
Wossa stripey lines at the front mean?
and
If that is an intake at the front
it is only an engine cooling intake

join the dots...
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Old 10th Jul 2011, 11:21
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Big props then.
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Old 10th Jul 2011, 11:24
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Big props then.
Yep........
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Old 10th Jul 2011, 11:26
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I see now way that it was armed.

With that diameter I cannot envisage an undercarriage system.

Some kind of VTOL project?
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There were in fact concerns that gw was to low to allow armament and fuel.

VTOL, yes, and what if I say tailsitter?

Now off to lunch, see you in a little while.
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LH Leonard "Helicopter-Type Aircraft" VTOL?
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Old 10th Jul 2011, 12:09
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Yep, as seen here:
Page 1 « L.H. Leonard “Helicopter-Type Aircraft” VTOL Tailsitters (1939) » RetroMechanix.com

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Stupidly, I had forgotten that I already had that site bookmarked - won't use it with you around though.

It's time for something different............

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Can't get a link, but go to Google Videos...

English Electric Lightning A very British Supersonic Interceptor

Watch the take-off - one had to be quick with the wheels...!!
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