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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 13:13
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Sukhoi-2 Wing leading-edge paradox!!

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Originally Posted by Noyade
because everything I have does NOT show that straight-edged bit...
Now that is weird innit Graeme?? Maybe it's summat akin to the way the water goes down the plug-holes in the Southern Hemisphere

These, plus the one I originally posted, are what I find when I search the web, explain that!!




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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 21:41
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explain that!!
I can't, but I have a theory...post 1990, better information (including drawings) filtered out of the former USSR. My books, magazines are mostly as old as Abraham.

Your boat looks Italian?
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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 21:53
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Hello everybody and happy Easter!

Your boat looks Italian?
It sure does... I've been searching all the afternoon and can't figure this out...
Very similar to a Macchi M33, but the pilot position is all wrong. Also, almost all Italian flying boats have their engines underslung from the top wing, and this apparently has it placed on top.
Very rare "scalp-tractor" prop arrangement also...
Also some elements similar to Curtiss designs.
This also seems more a sesquiplane than a biplane.
The four white dots make me think it's an 8-cylinder, but I might be wrong.
The tail's a riddle. Couldn't find anything even remotely similar.
And I sifted through a lot of stuff.
I don't know why but I suspect that this is going to be really as easy (maybe even self-evident?) as SincoTC said anc I'll curse myself a lot...
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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 22:07
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G'day Graeme,

Good theory mate, I suspect that there's a hell of a lot of duff info about and a lot of it on the web too, but the better methods of exchange will bring it to light, maybe when I retire I'll have time to correct some of them on Wiki before someone screw the lid down on me!!

Sorry mate it's not Italian.
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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 22:07
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Religious Greetings HP!

We're way off mate. British!?

Blackburn Pellet?
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aaargh... the third row was on top!!!
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Welcome back HappyPass and Happy Easter to you too

I was about to answer your comments, but I've just seen that the "Wizard of Oz" has struck again!!

Well done Graeme, it is the ill fated Blackburn Pellet

The Blackburn Pellet was a single-engined, single-seater biplane flying boat designed as a contender for the 1923 Schneider Trophy competition. It was destroyed whilst taking off for the trials of the contest.
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aaargh... the third row was on top!!!
Indeed it was! quite an advanced engine for its time Napier Lion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You should have started fishing for clues before Graeme's alarm went off HP, the engine would have been an early one


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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 22:18
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Thanks Trevor.

Another...


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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 22:30
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You should have started fishing for clues before Graeme's alarm went off HP
I like to do things on my own... pride is one of my main flaws
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aaargh... the third row was on top!!!
Where is this list/row HP?
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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 22:44
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Where is this list/row HP?
3 * 4 exhausts = 12 cylinders.
The top-row exhausts of the large-arrow configuration are hidden (exhaust pipes point to the right) and can be easily seen in the top view from of the Aviastar 3-view drawing.
Seeing 4 white circlets in the silhouette I assumed it was an 8-cylinder engine...
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Trevor, I'm feeling sorry for those Russians in the Su-2 (your bottom right illustration above) - they're done for!

How do you get all those illustrations to stack like that? I can only manage one above the other.
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3 * 4 exhausts = 12 cylinders.
Ahhh...I see now. I thought you had located some sort of Wiki list that showed all the flying-boat and float-plane racers ever produced.

You need to find a list of Schneider Trophy aircraft for mine.
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How do you get all those illustrations to stack like that? I can only manage one above the other
Fairly easy mate; after re-sizing each image and saving as a jpeg, I just cut and pasted each in turn onto a new blank drawing in "MS Paint" and dragged them into position as I pleased.

I thought yours looks a bit Macchi-39 ish, but we've had that one
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new blank drawing in "MS Paint" and dragged them into position
Thanks Trevor, I'll have to experiment with that.
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Macchi-39 ish,
It is a Macchi............
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It is a Macchi............
Wiki says it was built for the 1927 race......
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Then it's an M52
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Old 23rd Apr 2011, 23:12
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Then it's an M52
Done!

Actually, I had a look at the M.39 and a few other Macchis just then and they all look bloody similar?!

Mine was/is the M.52R.

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Yup its the M-52 Mario de Bernardi but HP got it first
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