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Old 16th Mar 2011, 11:04
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A project, or did it fly?
No.
No to which please.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 11:05
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No to "Just one, then".

And: It was a project, I don't think it flew.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 11:13
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I'm confused.

You said no to twin and no to just one.

So it has more than two fans?

Is the bit below it a large lift-fan. which leads me to VTOL?
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 11:16
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Sorry not had a chance to pay attention to this,

So just to be clear:
- it has a single ducted fan
- it never flew
- it was a project.

I presume in addition to the ducted fan there is also a shrouded pusher prop at the rear?
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That's my problem!

In most cases shrouded and ducted mean the same, although technically it's incorrect.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 11:20
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Four ducted fans LM

No pusher prop

Project

Did'n fly

Edit to say: My source doesn't call them ducted....
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Ah so - methinks then that the rear one(s) swivel(s).
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 11:31
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No, none of the fans swivel. Some other things move.

Edit to say: If you want a full 3D, just ask.
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Some other things move
Maybe a wing?
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 11:49
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Nozzle-forming flaps move.

Edit: Maybe the "ducted fans" is misleading. They are four turbofans. More like "powered wings".

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General Dynamics A310 project?

Or the A311?
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Maybe the "ducted fans" is misleading
Sure has been....
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Skytrain has it:

A medium-speed concept studied by General Dynamics, Fort Worth Division, features a powered lift system referred to as ABLE (Advanced Blown Lift Enhancement). The heart of this system is a "lifting nacelle" integrated into the wing that vectors the thrust of turbofan engines by using a series of movable flaps to make up the nozzle as illustrated in Fig. 23. One flap forms the upper surface of the two-dimensional nozzle, and two flaps form the lower surface. The upper flap has two slots. The upper forward slot forms the high-aspect-ratio nozzle for the turbine engine exhaust, and the upper aft slot is a boundary layer control slot. The intent is to energize the external boundary layer and thus maintain attached airflow over the "lifting nacelles" to produce significant gains in STOL and transition performance and in aircraft controllability in these modes of flight. In forward flight, the flaps are arranged as shown on the left in Fig. nn, and in transition flight the flaps are deflected into intermediate positions as in the center of the figure. In hover flight the lower aft flap becomes a part of the aft wall of a vertical-thrust nozzle. The lower forward flap becomes the forward wall of the nozzle and provides a generous radius of the inside of the turn to reduce separation.

This propulsive lift system has been used in a configuration (A-311). A three-view sketch is shown in Fig. (attached).

Four turbofan engines are used in the lifting nacelles of configuration A-311. The fans are cross-shafted together using bevel gears in the fan nose bullets for engine-out considerations. Two load compressors are mounted between the inboard engines and the fuselage and are driven directly from the cross shaft. These compressors provide compressed air to the pitch trim/control system in the aft fuselage. This compressed air drives two air turbines which in turn drive two fans. The fan exhaust passes through dual nozzles which can be aimed up or down using a movable deflection system. Roll control in hover is achieved by biasing the thrust of the main engines either left or right through the cross shaft. Yaw control in hover is achieved by differentially deflecting the main engine nozzle flaps fore and aft on opposite sides of the aircraft.


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Old 16th Mar 2011, 12:25
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Sure has been....
Sorry about that LM. Said yes first and then started thinking and reading more

It looked first to my untrained eye like cross-shafted ducted fans......
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Thanks RD. An interesting concept. Having got nowhere with ducted fans, lift fans or shrouded props, when I saw your comment about "nozzle forming flaps" I did a search for "air blown flaps", and bingo! .

Here's the next one....no hidden extras, what you see is what you get:

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Didn't realize these as turbofans first.... Hitchhiker, that's what I am

Stupid.

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Crikey, logging in is much easier!

Ken, looks like the MAI-900 Akrobat.
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Evening Graeme...makes life a hell of a lot easier...the number of times I used to keep hitting refresh to get a set of characters I could read!

Yes, its the Aviatika-MAI 900 from Russia



Your control Graeme.
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Thanks Ken.

Everyone seems to be into projects lately, so here goes. According to the article it shares a similar engineering design with the Rockwell B-1; namely a rotary bomb dispenser...

Another Boulton Paul project!

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Boulton Paul P79?
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