Vulcan XH 558 Threads (merged)
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Looks like same old, same old to me.
Its ok saying they are well on the way to covering overheads until ist display flight in June but they have to cover the 85K up front to get marshalls back don't they?
Or are Marshalls going to let them off that as well?
Surely it would be better to focus on the funds for test flying first and foremost and reduce the overheads drastically by laying off all staff temporarily and only paying those that really have to be there every day.
Reckon people would have been sat around doing not alot recently especially with the authority to work on the aircraft having been withdrawn until recently. To me that adds up to alot of wasted time and money.
Don't get me wrong, i have eaten,drunk and slept this aircraft and first flight was one of the most emotional experiences of my life but there is nothing in the update that gives me confidence.
Its ok saying they are well on the way to covering overheads until ist display flight in June but they have to cover the 85K up front to get marshalls back don't they?
Or are Marshalls going to let them off that as well?
Surely it would be better to focus on the funds for test flying first and foremost and reduce the overheads drastically by laying off all staff temporarily and only paying those that really have to be there every day.
Reckon people would have been sat around doing not alot recently especially with the authority to work on the aircraft having been withdrawn until recently. To me that adds up to alot of wasted time and money.
Don't get me wrong, i have eaten,drunk and slept this aircraft and first flight was one of the most emotional experiences of my life but there is nothing in the update that gives me confidence.
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If VTTS, TVOC or whatever did a Ryanair style calendar with some pretty girls wearing not too much then I would but it.
If you want money from young lads then this is the only way to get it.
If it can make a 737 look good......
If you want money from young lads then this is the only way to get it.
If it can make a 737 look good......
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Did I miss something ?
I was looking to see what new stuff was up on the site and tucked away below the usual give us money cry was the statement from the Chairman about their obligations under the companies act. Maybe I just didn't spot it, did anyone else ?
I was looking to see what new stuff was up on the site and tucked away below the usual give us money cry was the statement from the Chairman about their obligations under the companies act. Maybe I just didn't spot it, did anyone else ?
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It has been there all along Andrew, the usual threats of total shut down if the public and members do not cough up the goods 'Again', oddly this is the only time we hear much of substance from them.
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Apparently T.V.O.C have accepted they need to be more open, and while the update dosnt give a huge amount of news at least its (hopefully) a start. It dosn't mean im suddenly a member of their fan club, i'm just reserving judgment to see if they keep it up. Ever the optimist eh?
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Well even if they get Marshalls back (which they don't deserve), they will have problems anyway cos i've heard the key Marshalls personell that are needed to get 558 through test flights are all off doing other things associated with their jobs at Marshalls.
Pity the tvoc couldn't get their arses into gear a bit sooner so that IF they are allowed to have Marshalls back the guys could fit straight back in.
We will have to see if the Marshalls engineers want to go back anyway since there has been some definate personal accusations levelled against some of them by the management of the tvoc.
Pity the tvoc couldn't get their arses into gear a bit sooner so that IF they are allowed to have Marshalls back the guys could fit straight back in.
We will have to see if the Marshalls engineers want to go back anyway since there has been some definate personal accusations levelled against some of them by the management of the tvoc.
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Update today on the TVOC website, including news that Robert Pleming will be doing an interview next week, but note that Ben Jackson is actually a BBC broadcaster, not Leicester Sound. Apart from that there is no news on flight testing. Does anyone have any hard news on this (not just speculation)?
Delta15/vickyv - please refrain from using this forum to have a slanging match, it doesn't help the cause!
Regards
Delta15/vickyv - please refrain from using this forum to have a slanging match, it doesn't help the cause!
Regards
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This is taken from www.tvoc.co.uk this morning:
News Update 13th March
v £1450.00 raised at 2nd auction in support of XH558. This now brings the total raised at auction to by member Dickon Dearman £4,000.00 Our grateful thanks to Dickon and to Churchgate Auctions for this continuing support. Start collecting for the 3rd auction now
v £600.00 raised at Karting Day. Thanks to all those who came along to watch and cheer as well as the daring 25 who took to the starting grid. A great day was had by all and we a re reliably informed that plans are afoot to make this an annual event. Thanks to Roger and all his staff at March Hare Leisure Centre for donating their Sunday in support of XH558
Friends and Members can find illustrated reports on the Forum, and articles on both will appear in the Summer issue of The Vulcan magazine.
v Ringtone Download: This has proved as you would expect very popular. Thanks to forum member Bubbles and Saracenman, Paul Spann (webmaster), and Joanne White of Prime Time Video for the production of this
Ongoing
v Donations and New Membership: These are continuing at a very gratifying level. So much so that we have had to make room for several pairs of extra hands in the office to help with backlog of data input. However it is not yet time to rest on our laurels your continued efforts are still essential if XH558 is to make the start of the airshow season.
v EDM and No 10 Petition : Like rolling stones these continue to gather signatures.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/VulcanToTheSky/
Press & PR Plans are in place to start phase two of the current media campaign and we will keep you informed of where and when as it happens. Robert will kick off next week with an interview on Monday with Ben Jackson of Leicester Sound the exact time will be posted when available
v £1450.00 raised at 2nd auction in support of XH558. This now brings the total raised at auction to by member Dickon Dearman £4,000.00 Our grateful thanks to Dickon and to Churchgate Auctions for this continuing support. Start collecting for the 3rd auction now
v £600.00 raised at Karting Day. Thanks to all those who came along to watch and cheer as well as the daring 25 who took to the starting grid. A great day was had by all and we a re reliably informed that plans are afoot to make this an annual event. Thanks to Roger and all his staff at March Hare Leisure Centre for donating their Sunday in support of XH558
Friends and Members can find illustrated reports on the Forum, and articles on both will appear in the Summer issue of The Vulcan magazine.
v Ringtone Download: This has proved as you would expect very popular. Thanks to forum member Bubbles and Saracenman, Paul Spann (webmaster), and Joanne White of Prime Time Video for the production of this
Ongoing
v Donations and New Membership: These are continuing at a very gratifying level. So much so that we have had to make room for several pairs of extra hands in the office to help with backlog of data input. However it is not yet time to rest on our laurels your continued efforts are still essential if XH558 is to make the start of the airshow season.
v EDM and No 10 Petition : Like rolling stones these continue to gather signatures.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/VulcanToTheSky/
Press & PR Plans are in place to start phase two of the current media campaign and we will keep you informed of where and when as it happens. Robert will kick off next week with an interview on Monday with Ben Jackson of Leicester Sound the exact time will be posted when available
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spreading the word
if you are one of 558's many supporters and you have your own website, how about adding a banner to your webpage. youtube, facebook, myspace - whatever!
the Club's determined publicity activities over the past few weeks have had incredible effects; Parliamentary debate, media coverage - in excess of 1,000 new Club Members joining up in only a few days.
558 belongs to everyone - let's let everyone know!
all the 'official' resources are available at http://www.tvoc.co.uk/Resources.asp and their use is actively encouraged and definitely needed! just copy/paste!
we are but a hair's-breadth away!
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edit: check out the good news just updated on TVOC homepage:
http://www.tvoc.co.uk/default.asp
the Club's determined publicity activities over the past few weeks have had incredible effects; Parliamentary debate, media coverage - in excess of 1,000 new Club Members joining up in only a few days.
558 belongs to everyone - let's let everyone know!
all the 'official' resources are available at http://www.tvoc.co.uk/Resources.asp and their use is actively encouraged and definitely needed! just copy/paste!
we are but a hair's-breadth away!
sm
edit: check out the good news just updated on TVOC homepage:
http://www.tvoc.co.uk/default.asp
Last edited by saracenman; 13th Mar 2008 at 23:36. Reason: NEWS FLASH!
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This just off the Funding update section of TVOC website:
“Once again, our supporters are significantly exceeding our expectations”, continues Robert Pleming. “Thanks to their continuing generosity, I am delighted to announce that we have now sailed past our initial funding target of £150,000, largely due to two major donations. But the decision to proceed could only be made be made by trusting our supporters that this fund-raising momentum will continue, because we are still reliant on maintaining a donation income of at least £50,000 per month to make it to the airshow season. Once we make it to our first few airshows, we are convinced that we will see both fund-raising momentum and sponsorship interest increase substantially
Dr. R. Pleming, CE, VTST
Funding Campaign Update from 18th February to 14th March 2008
You are simply the BEST
E-Donate to 6th March £22471.96
7th Mar £ 671.00
8th Mar £ 433.50
9th Mar £ 1095.00
10th Mar £ 290.00
11th Mar £ 320.00
12th Mar £ 550.00
13th Mar £ 281.58
14th March £1420.00
Total e-donate to date £ 27293.04
Direct donation to 1st March Donations to bank w/e 14th March £11856.60
Total direct donations to date £55467.91
Combined total to date £82760.95
Add Gift Aid (average 25%) £20690.23
GRAND TOTAL £103452.13
FANTASTIC!!!
And there’s more
Your efforts have given two of our long term philanthropic supporters the confidence to donate £150,000.00 of dedicated funds to finance the Test Flight Program
Extract from press releaseYou are simply the BEST
E-Donate to 6th March £22471.96
7th Mar £ 671.00
8th Mar £ 433.50
9th Mar £ 1095.00
10th Mar £ 290.00
11th Mar £ 320.00
12th Mar £ 550.00
13th Mar £ 281.58
14th March £1420.00
Total e-donate to date £ 27293.04
Direct donation to 1st March Donations to bank w/e 14th March £11856.60
Total direct donations to date £55467.91
Combined total to date £82760.95
Add Gift Aid (average 25%) £20690.23
GRAND TOTAL £103452.13
FANTASTIC!!!
And there’s more
Your efforts have given two of our long term philanthropic supporters the confidence to donate £150,000.00 of dedicated funds to finance the Test Flight Program
“Once again, our supporters are significantly exceeding our expectations”, continues Robert Pleming. “Thanks to their continuing generosity, I am delighted to announce that we have now sailed past our initial funding target of £150,000, largely due to two major donations. But the decision to proceed could only be made be made by trusting our supporters that this fund-raising momentum will continue, because we are still reliant on maintaining a donation income of at least £50,000 per month to make it to the airshow season. Once we make it to our first few airshows, we are convinced that we will see both fund-raising momentum and sponsorship interest increase substantially
Dr. R. Pleming, CE, VTST
We are on the way but we do need to keep the momentum
Watch for full press release and further details next week
Watch for full press release and further details next week
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The money is not the issue its the techs needed are (1) working away (2) on more profitable projects (3 )standby to support the UN in Africa (4) courses in April.
Also well done all who donated in trying to get 558 back in the air once done i can end my 32 yr affair with the tin triangle as the last 3 yrs and especially the last 6 months of back stabbing and attitude as killed of my interest in its future.
NO axe to grind with anyone but the Lies and Deciet and all round bull muck as sucseeded where the
airforce failled
Also well done all who donated in trying to get 558 back in the air once done i can end my 32 yr affair with the tin triangle as the last 3 yrs and especially the last 6 months of back stabbing and attitude as killed of my interest in its future.
NO axe to grind with anyone but the Lies and Deciet and all round bull muck as sucseeded where the
airforce failled
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Glad some funds are coming in. The aircraft deserves it. Just the tip of the iceberg though. She needs a couple of million to get through a season of flights.
Think the management and/or their friends are trying to dissuade posts maybe???? They need to think harder, the sex change hasn't taken !
Would like to have been a fly on the wall when the CAA visited on Thursday, hopefully they reminded the operators of their obilgation to operate safely ! Safety comes at a price (not peanuts)
I'm sure i'll be busy when you need me most.
Think the management and/or their friends are trying to dissuade posts maybe???? They need to think harder, the sex change hasn't taken !
Would like to have been a fly on the wall when the CAA visited on Thursday, hopefully they reminded the operators of their obilgation to operate safely ! Safety comes at a price (not peanuts)
I'm sure i'll be busy when you need me most.
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“NO axe to grind with anyone but the Lies and Deciet and all round bull muck as sucseeded where the airforce failed”
While gratified that the TVOC has announced that they now have enough funds to ensure the testing is completed am I the only one around that finds the published figures for donations currently received as not quite adding up, or rather conveniently adding up far too well, and please conspiracy pundits need not read anything other than an open statement into that comment.
They have just announced that rather well heeled persons interested in the project have out of the goodness of their hearts stumped up the required £150K in addition too the sums raised from donations giving the company the ‘Confidence’ to carry on operating, question I ask myself is why did it take a full blown crisis announcement too tease this amount from them.
This current round of problems they have had could not have been missed months ago, yet the “Mayday” announcement was only made officially on the website on the 18th of Feb leaving many people puzzled as to why they waited so long before openly admitting they were in trouble again leading too the so very obvious recriminations and accusations being levelled at the TVOC management and Board of trustees as too there handling of the situation.
The question of lack of information flow from the TVOC team has been one that has cropped up on a number of occasions, and while I would not go as far as saying that a campaign of lies and deceit has been waged against the public I would say the whole thing smacks more daily of the ‘Old School Tie’ network in operation.
While gratified that the TVOC has announced that they now have enough funds to ensure the testing is completed am I the only one around that finds the published figures for donations currently received as not quite adding up, or rather conveniently adding up far too well, and please conspiracy pundits need not read anything other than an open statement into that comment.
They have just announced that rather well heeled persons interested in the project have out of the goodness of their hearts stumped up the required £150K in addition too the sums raised from donations giving the company the ‘Confidence’ to carry on operating, question I ask myself is why did it take a full blown crisis announcement too tease this amount from them.
This current round of problems they have had could not have been missed months ago, yet the “Mayday” announcement was only made officially on the website on the 18th of Feb leaving many people puzzled as to why they waited so long before openly admitting they were in trouble again leading too the so very obvious recriminations and accusations being levelled at the TVOC management and Board of trustees as too there handling of the situation.
The question of lack of information flow from the TVOC team has been one that has cropped up on a number of occasions, and while I would not go as far as saying that a campaign of lies and deceit has been waged against the public I would say the whole thing smacks more daily of the ‘Old School Tie’ network in operation.
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ukar posting vulcan flies mon ,tues ,weds
my oh my
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Posted: 16 Mar. 2008, 22:22
Perhaps my post above wasn't clear enough! A member of the Vulcan flight crew told me they are expecting to do 2 air tests (ie FLY it around for 3 hours) over the next few days - he said Mon/Tue/Wed actually. They were planning to start last week but admin(?) problems prevented it. Thats 2 days notice to me!
as i have said the technicians needed to complete the job are otherwise engaged i cant and dont believe mr masefield said anything of the sort as a guide imho when the programme restarts it will be at least a week to the 1st airtest and dependent on serviceabillity anothe two days to the 2nd / 3rd/ to permit about a 3 week timscale i would expect
as for the public viewing it WILL be a closed event unless tvoc are saying differant on their closed fourum
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Posted: 16 Mar. 2008, 22:22Perhaps my post above wasn't clear enough! A member of the Vulcan flight crew told me they are expecting to do 2 air tests (ie FLY it around for 3 hours) over the next few days - he said Mon/Tue/Wed actually. They were planning to start last week but admin(?) problems prevented it. Thats 2 days notice to me! as i have said the technicians needed to complete the job are otherwise engaged i cant and dont believe mr masefield said anything of the sort as a guide imho when the programme restarts it will be at least a week to the 1st airtest and dependent on serviceabillity anothe two days to the 2nd / 3rd/ to permit about a 3 week timscale i would expect
as for the public viewing it WILL be a closed event unless tvoc are saying differant on their closed fourum
Is it not time for this thread to be moved to "Aviation History and Nostalgia"? It now contains a mish mash of reposts from other forums and a succession of back biting comments containing little information. The Vulcan is no longer in service and "558" is now a civilian aircraft. It is becoming hard to see how this matter is military related.
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I reported my conversation with Barry Masefield. How is that misguided? He has to turn up when he is asked to. I spoke to him on Sunday morning and he is not a bull****ter or misguided. He is a good bloke and he is always happy to stop and talk about the Vulcan. I may have misunderstood and he meant NEXT Mon/Tue/Wed as it was a Sunday we were speaking. This forum is a vicious place isn't it! If you don't know who Barry is do some research.