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Why go all the way to SA? There’s nothing stopping thousands of SE Queensland residents driving to Byron Bay each weekend, mingling with no doubt hundreds of people from Sydney who are also visiting for the weekend, and getting back into Queensland no problems at all. Yet Queen P is so concerned about the spread of COVID out of Sydney despite NSW showing so far the most effective track and trace program in the country. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

Melbournian here, planning to jet to QLD to see mates within the first week of border opening.
Lol at the nutters protesting an entire state because a demoncratically elected government was elected.
WA has insanely stricter border policies but 1/50 the outcry (also keen to visit mates there when able)

Timmy the issue, well my issue Queen P is making it purely political there is absolutely no fact base science as to why she won’t fully open to Australia even to VIC. I would be very happy if NSW fully dropped its border to VIC today. QLD ppl did elect her I fully respect that and now they can pay the price as business go bust jobs are lost and ppl are at their knees thinking what went wrong whilst everywhere else in Australia benifits from Queen P hard border closure. Even QLD ppl know Vic and NSW residents make up the majority of their cash revenue.

WA is effectively a separate country with a massive desert forming a natural barrier. It's closer to Singapore than it is to Sydney. Australia means the land east of a line joining Adelaide and Darwin.

..........👍🏻👍🏻

“I won’t support anything QLD don’t care what it is. QLD gave Queen P their blessing they can deal with that aftermath.”

+1 for Ragnor, Props and everyone else. Screw em, fly past QLD on the way to NT or drop into Byron. Parochial, jingoistic **** from the Premier deserves nothing less.

Oh trust me there’s been plenty of vitriol thrown at the WA government throughout this time, similar to that thrown at the Qld government.

Funnily though basically zero hate has been thrown at the governments of SA and Tasmania which, for the most part throughout this 7 month period since April, have had similar border restrictions to Qld and WA. Now, why I wonder have those two governments been ignored while the others attacked, wouldn’t have anything to do with who’s in power in those states???

But could I ask a request. There’s already another thread on this forum where peeps can argue about borders and politics. This thread is about company related issues regarding the pilot group. How about we stick to that?

They have 4 years of Queen P "leadership into the future" to consider the wisdom of re-electing the dear lady.

However that doesn't exonerate the Libs for running a piss poor campaign, after so many years of Queen P/Trad destruction in so many areas the Libs couldn't land a blow?? Amateurs.

So when does Jackie Trad's government job get announced?

But, but.... That does not fit Murdoch's narrative (and the sheep on here) that Liberal = good and Labor = Bad.

Also Tas and Sa applied a commonsense approach...and they are open. Nothing to do with liberal v labor.

besides, if you want to go down that path, NT is labor, and they also applied a common sense approach. Doesn’t really fit your argument does it.

I agree with this & i know many dont but thats democracy.
The difference here is that queen p decided to basically ridicule other states & gloat about their failures whereas other premiers did exactly the same thing with borders but got on with the problems in their own states without seeing the need to remind everyone how good they were on a daily basis.

How have TAS and SA borders been different to QLD up until recently?

Because WA and QLD are not using common sense they’re using political motivation which is having an effect on WA and QLD residents. Good for NSW and SA as those residents flock to ADL and Ballina/Byron we thank those guys for sending money our way creating employment and allowing families to reunite.

TAS needed to wait as they are a smaller island and didn’t have the resources to cope with an outbreak and needed to be sure and in my opinion didn’t make it political.

As far as I know, they haven’t been happy to make exceptions for sporting teams, movie stars etc due to $$$$$$, while compassionate/medical cases from just across the border get knocked back. Nor have they been indulging in belligerent, childish rhetoric and saying things like ‘We have South Australian hospitals for South Australians’.

Who would’ve thought the doom and gloom of a few months ago would end in some positive news only a short time later.

EOI was sent out to 787 crew this morning for flying in Dec, Jan, Feb.

Great way to end the year. Let’s hope it continues

I wonder if the 2000+ ground staff who found out via a media post that their jobs no longer existed are thinking its a great way to end the year.
People making comments like this just dont get it.
Oh i forgot,the company statement saying it was a very difficult time for the affected employees & their families shows how much they really care.

This post was directed at flight crew and being a PILOT forum then yes it is a great way to end the year. Many have not taken a pay check since March - it’s unfortunate what happened to the ground crew but that’s the way it went this time round. Many of us have faced redundancy before, multiple times.

might sound harsh but a job as a baggage handler compared to a career as a pilot is a little different. Many of us didn’t know when we were getting paid next...let alone the next career if this fell through.

good luck to you

not to the baggage handler.

Qantas don’t give a **** about staff. Pilots or ground crew.
Got some good advice today from an old TRE.If you can, then get out of flying. Use the time off now to study or do something else. Get a side hustle.Get a solid employment alternate.Don’t ever rely on the job now.No one in Qantas cares about you or your family. Focus on the alternate that is now destination. Might take some time but it is essential.
In the future if you do go back then always remember to put yourself and your family first. Qantas don’t care but you have to.

Virgin don’t give a sh!t about staff, Tiger don’t give a sh!t about staff, Ansett don’t give a sh!t about staff. No airline gives a sh!t about staff. Qantas at least make money and that’s about all you can hope for.

cheers,
Greaser

Exactly. It doesn’t matter if Qantas make money or not. Nearly all crew are stood down and are not getting paid. Did not stop Alan taking 9 million in shares and all the executives are getting paid.
I think this is a good point for any airline pilots in Oz.Flying has to be treated like secondary employment.I would be actively be telling young people not to enter the industry.

FD and Knobby, couldn’t agree more!
Anyone starting out in this industry should take this advice. The best income insurance is a solid, second job. Get yourself qualifications, slowly over time, so you are not dependent on your flying job.
The only person you can rely on is yourself.

The C19 shutdown has exposed just how fragile the job of pilot is. If I was a young pilot starting out I would be looking at getting a non-flying qualification or getting a Bachelor of Aviation and do a grad dip in some other field. The issue with a non- flying qualification is maintaining it. So if you get a teaching qualification how do you maintain it if you fly a domestic roster. I think future EBA negations are going to have acknowledge this and allow for a lot more part time and job sharing. Thankfully I am getting to the end of my career and have been able to survive on the sale of assets but for young pilots starting out they will have to face stand downs at some point in their future career.

It's always been fragile, this is an additional new one. It will be climate change next, 40,000 engines pumping out 800 degrees celcius in the FL250 to FL 390 band, 24/7 can't be good.

Indeed.Qantas used to be a great company.So did a Virgin in the early days. Ansett was too as was Australian airlines.But the reality is the work environment is toxic now and no aviation company gives a toss about their employees except executives that rake in millions.
You can’t rely on a career as a pilot now.COVID has been a blessing in some ways.I would actively telling people thinking about it not to. Or to have another degree, skill or qualification and job before they even contemplate it.Even then I would do them a favour and say stop whilst you can.
If your already committed then:
-Don’t ever be solely reliant on flying for a career or money again
-Go to Uni or use your time off to learn a trade or a different skill or start a business. Take as long as you need but you will need something else.
-Prioritise yourself and your family. Stand down and redundancy proved that no airline cares about their pilots or their loyalty. Pilots are a cost base and nothing else.Geoff Dixon said if you want loyalty buy a dog.Alan would stand the dog down when he was not needed.Jayne would probably euthanize the dog.
-Don’t do any favours if it doesn’t suit you. No one cares about your wellbeing but you.

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-Geoff Dixon said if you want loyalty buy a dog.
Alan would stand the dog down when he was not needed.[/QUOTE]

Classic!! 😂😂😂😂

Climate change will be the next reason, yes, but more for the 3.15 tonnes of CO2 produced per tonne of jet fuel. The latest U.N. report can be read here: https://public.wmo.int/en/media/pres...t-years-record

A few years ago I was in an airline crew room in the US, on the notice board there was a multitude of business cards and advertisements for businesses that the pilots were running or involved in. With furloughs, and pension plans decimated as a result of mergers or bankruptcy protection and restructuring, they knew how unreliable their finances were.

When you add in that your career is dependant on passing your medical as well, you realise how insecure your income is. Having a wife with a well paid job in a different field such, as law or medicine is good insurance but for most of us a substantial financial buffer needs to be built up in the good times and financial security achieved asap.

Taking on a loan for flying training, with the aim of paying it back from airline earnings later on isn't a good idea. Join the airforce or fly for fun.

I’m wondering about numbers now that a big chunk is about to go with those leaving on VR/ER.
The situation in the UK with vaccine approval, and more to come, has reported that by Easter and certainly by the northern summer the Brits will have it well under control.
Take it out to July and I can see a very good case for the reinstatement of PER-LHR at that time.
Latest Aus figures show discretionary spending has boomed. I think when the time comes people will climb over themselves to travelling internationally again.
The UK is just the start. Most western countries won’t be far behind.
I’ve said it before but QF will be short again by later next year.

I can foresee a scenario (one of a few different ones though) that all A330s will be up and going by the end of 2021.

If that’s the case we are at least 57 Captains short on that fleet. If the mooted route structure comes off then we’ll be short by an additional margin of about 10-15% on top of that again so call it 65 in round numbers.

The 787 has enough Captains to cover 11 airframes. Any additional airframes coming and they’re short of crew too.

The 747 has less than 10 Captains left to RIN.

The A380 has about 45 Captains left. Some A380s I reckon will be flying from about March ‘22- probably enough that they’ll need a few additional Captains on that aeroplane too. Perhaps 20 or so.

F/O numbers are a bit harder to predict with the A380 still largely at full strength (for 12 jets), the 787 with the right numbers for about 12, A330 with about the right numbers to cover all aircraft (if we train those who were scheduled to come onto the jet just as Covid hit), and about 35 747 F/Os to deal with.

Anyway, that’s my take on the numbers.

How are the 330 SO ranks looking? How many were scared into LWOP?

Every AIPA email mentions how burdened they are...

Exactly Keg!
57-65 Captains. That training load alone is frightening. The 787 crewing issue also is alarming. Don’t forget the additional airframes parked in the desert. What about numbers for them? The 787 will be very much in demand in the second half. At least QF have all those options!

Hey if we're talking about being "frightened" of training a whole bunch of new 330 and 787 pilots that's a "horror movie" I'd be willing to watch after the year we've just had!

Although that is good news it will probably take longer to get regular scheduled services back. In the article below some Infectious disease experts say it will depend on sufficient vaccination in both the origin and destination countries (here). Australia will be monitoring the vaccination programs in the Northern Hemisphere first prior to our own, which will start months later. I reckon late 2021 by the time everyone's happy, and enough are vaccinated, but I do think PER-LHR will be one of the first routes to come back.

Will Australians be able to travel again once a coronavirus vaccine is available? ABC News

Maybe Network will take the 787s for the long haul out of Perth , many type rated looking for work on slave labour rates .

Out of interest, are Qantas Group entities permitted to hire pilots that are not currently part of the group whilst group pilots are stood down?

Think u will find the big Q will just do whatever it feels like doing,they have plenty of cash to hire the most expensive legal eagles & for the employees,whether stood down justifiably or not,the EAP will help them out.
Thats all the boxes ticked.

I wonder how much unused sick leave is disappearing from the books with the VR and ER. Big saving to Q, probably offset the VR $ equation.

To put it into perspective a quarter of A330 Captains won’t be there on Monday morning. Last time I looked we still have 28 A330’s. They haven’t been moved to the desert. They’ll be the first of the LH fleet to come back. Next year I would suggest.
How long to train up 57?
And the training department have lost quite a few.

Great tale, but no.