Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 10825250)
from the EBA:
“…….other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible...” I have to disagree. If there aren’t enough bookings once borders are open, that’s a business / commercial problem. Otherwise, why would ANY company ever pay VR / CR if they could just stand down the employee indefinitely? The opening of borders may not be the trigger to relax stand-downs I'm afraid. |
Originally Posted by C441
(Post 10825890)
Again I hope you're right but the company will argue that demand has collapsed because of C-19 and thus they "cannot be held responsible".
The opening of borders may not be the trigger to relax stand-downs I'm afraid. When the borders go back to 2019 levels it won’t be done all at once. It’ll be a few neighbouring nations in travel bubbles first, then later other nations which have handled the outbreak well. Nations which haven’t done well at handling the outbreak (US, Brazil for example) will be delayed even further. And even when citizens of those nations are allowed to enter there could be conditions attached. An antibody test, a statement of vaccination, caps on flights and pax numbers from certain countries, a quarantine until a rapid test is performed, limits on the entry of aged or vulnerable populations, limitations on those travellers entering remote and indigenous communities. It may be years until full and free unrestricted travel is back. |
The border argument can be summarised by the domestic situation. When all domestic borders are opened unrestricted, will all domestic pilots be stood up? I think not.
NSW and VIC borders are open unrestricted. Does that mean all domestic SYD and MEL based pilots have been stood up? No. Hoping the situation will be different with International is Illogical. |
There’s a whole prop fleet stood down in SYD and BNE while the more expensive fleet is gaining routes.
I haven’t yet heard where the extended govt subsidies are being used, but that plus jobkeeper doesn’t make it hard to keep people stood down. |
Originally Posted by ExtraShot
(Post 10804410)
Erm. If you aren’t into speculation or the circulation of rumors I think you’re on the wrong website.
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They are using larger aircraft because they get a larger government subsidy.
Jetstar flew one passenger into Sunshine Coast today on a flight from Melbourne. What a waste of taxpayer dollars. I mean just charter a freighter for the supplies. |
Jetstar flew one passenger into Sunshine Coast today on a flight from Melbourne. |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10830088)
They are using larger aircraft because they get a larger government subsidy.
Jetstar flew one passenger into Sunshine Coast today on a flight from Melbourne. What a waste of taxpayer dollars. I mean just charter a freighter for the supplies. |
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...4f5d?width=650The extension of federal government aid will help keep Virgin Australia flying till it completes a sale. Picture: AFP |
The government subsidised domestic minimum viable network was extended in June till September, not sure what routes it covers though
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Just saw a 380 full noise departures early right turn over the Harbour Bridge bound for the desert I guess...this ain’t over yet is it🙁
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VR package is out:
> 15 years service 12 months base pay > 5 years service 9 months base pay < 5 years service 6 months base pay Take LWOP and you will be skipped over if CR is required. |
Which group has this been offered to?
And how long is the LWOP period? |
Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO
(Post 10833604)
Which group has this been offered to?
And how long is the LWOP period? As little or as long as you’d like, all assessed on an individual basis. HOBO has seen LWOP over his time approved up to about 5 years. But the question I think you’re getting at, as per the EBA, minimum 12 months LWOP to be passed over for CR. |
Originally Posted by normanton
(Post 10833596)
VR package is out:
> 15 years service 12 months base pay > 5 years service 9 months base pay < 5 years service 6 months base pay Take LWOP and you will be skipped over if CR is required. buT tHe hOstIeS gEt 14 mOntHs |
No problem swap your 12 months VR with a 14 month Flight attendant payout. It’s not about weeks or months, it’s about the payout, and it’s entirely up to the Company what they offer, anyone saying anything else is full of it. Take it or leave it, it’s pretty bloody simple.
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The FA's have it documented in the EBA what a VR payout is.
If you wanted the same amount of weeks that they got you should have negotiated it into EBA 10. It's a stupid argument when your wage is xxx higher. |
Originally Posted by normanton
(Post 10833651)
The FA's have it documented in the EBA what a VR payout is.
If you wanted the same amount of weeks that they got you should have negotiated it into EBA 10. It's a stupid argument when your wage is xxx higher. QF pilots didn’t have any redundancy provisions until the CWD. If it is voluntary it is voluntary. Stop whinging if the bait is not attractive enough. I’d be happy if it was good enough to get angryrat, going boeing, Vjet, et al. More to the point, if they are as unhappy as they portray, they should do the honourable thing and resign. |
Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
(Post 10833645)
No problem swap your 12 months VR with a 14 month Flight attendant payout. It’s not about weeks or months, it’s about the payout, and it’s entirely up to the Company what they offer, anyone saying anything else is full of it. Take it or leave it, it’s pretty bloody simple.
polling had found Qantas needed to offer a base salary figure of closer to 24 months - with 18 months as a minimum - to address its concerns of having surplus pilots. |
They will have no trouble getting enough takers. I predict it will be oversubscribed. As dr Dre says, they had enough when there was flying to be done.
Once those eligible make peace with the fact that it’s not a reflection of what QF think you are worth, and simply a number QF think you will take, they will reflect on the alternative, and take what’s on offer. It’s a no brainer. |
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