The vast majority of 380 pilots are great guys and gals! (but I have definitely run into some w@nkers on the crew bus - my captains words, not mine!)

The current world events and the circumstances we find our self in, has meant the 'gravy train bubble' has come to a swift halt. The new world order will come as a shock, and adapting is required for survival. It will only be temporary, and things will improve.

5 years down the track when 6 of the 380s are officially mothballed, and the 350s come in, you will all be grateful for listening to normantons wise wisdom about just how important it was to secure those 350's in LH10. ;)

Not that it matters, but actually he's not a LH Captain but a 744 F/O with a severely disabled son who was (obviously inadvisedly) voicing his concerns at the plight he has found himself in. If you too are going to denigrate yourself online, at least do some research to verify the accuracy of your statement and include all of the information lest you appear as great a goose as you suggest he is.

And for what it's worth, he's also usually considered one of the nicest blokes you could share a flight deck with…….

Let's hope the 380s are still here so you can then use the 380 award conditions to offset Tino and Alan's next ultimatum! ;) too :)

I’m not sure if this line of thinking will stand up in court, but even then the government restrictions aren’t going to be fully removed for a long time. Several days ago there were comments from the federal government indicating borders may be closed until mid to late 2021. Even when they reopen it won’t be a free for all, I wouldn’t be surprised to see continued restrictions applied against travellers from the US for a period of time after borders are opened to other nations given how bad they’ve handled the outbreak over there.

Hear hear.

It's a rough time for everyone. Much as I'd love to get parachuted onto SH (or anything...) right now, climbing over the backs of colleagues isn't the way to do it.

Understood C441. I don't know the guy, and his position is not really relevant (except his seniority for the purpose of this point). I made an assumption, and I was wrong. That doesn't change the content of his point or the premise on which he made it. My point is that statements like can cause division as is being shown here on this board and it's not helping anyone. Just be careful what you say. We all have our crosses to bare.

And for the record, I never called him a goose. No need to be rude.

That’s certainly not how I remember the question. I certainly don’t recall him demanding a seat on the 737 and his post on Qrewroom doesn’t ask for one either. I recall the question (‘the elephant in the room’) was that there are senior crew stood down whilst junior crew are flying and whether there was anything being looked at to try and spread the flying to those crew stood down. It could probably have been phrased more effectively but it’s a legitimate question.

Given he is on a now retired fleet his question is still somewhat relevant but more along the lines of ‘when can I expect to be RIN’d’ so that he can bid for a fleet with some ‘useful work’.

That is not my understanding of what has been said.

Do you have a link?

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881586415z

There is one link. This one indicates borders may be shut until we have a vaccine

Then that will probably be never. There's no vaccine for every strain of Flu B, or all the bird flus, or all the other SARS strains.

This is embarrassing. Air NZ have actually had forced redundancies...hundreds of them...They have a thread too and somehow they managed to not denigrate the thread into a petty farce.

Pathetic cowardly behavior. Hard to believe that these people occupy control seats in aircraft.

Gloriously vague. We have a Chief Medical Officer saying that there is no medical reason for state borders to be closed and yet here we are.

We are not supposed to be aiming for eradication, we are after flattening the curve, remember?

I will be surprised if we cannot travel overseas by Christmas.

Some thoughts from a survivor of ‘89.

- Its bad . Very bad. Accept it . And deal with it.

- People under stress will say and do things under stress that they will regret for the rest of their lives.
Don’t be one of them.

- The worst possible outcome will be when you start eating your own.

- Circumstances like these are great revealers of character. Behave in a way that you can look back on with pride.

- This too will pass.

^^^^ Well said.

get ready to be very surprised !!!!

from the EBA:
“The Company may deduct payments from the pay of an Australian based pilot for any day the pilot cannot be usefully employed because of any strike, stoppage or other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible...”

I have to disagree. If there aren’t enough bookings once borders are open, that’s a business / commercial problem.

Otherwise, why would ANY company ever pay VR / CR if they could just stand down the employee indefinitely?

Qlink and Rex seem happy enough standing down pilots despite regional travel being permitted by the government.

I too reiterate these sentiments. Be careful what you say and do - it will be your legacy.

Wise words indeed

They are not responsible for no flying due to a pandemic, borders open or not. You are fighting a losing battle.

I recommend you call AIPA legal for further clarification :ok: