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Originally Posted by 2theline
(Post 10618431)
So what? I'm still to hear a convincing argument as to why this should hold JQ pilots back from fighting for their future. Lets not forget the general publics disgust with todays corporate greed. JQ pilots will be forced to once again go backwards in pay and conditions whilst the corporate execs continue to reap the benefits. Given this, it's not hard to see why JQ pilots are pissed off! |
Right now throughout the Qantas Group (and Virgin) non operational staff on significantly less $$ than pilots are being handed letters and told to eff off by the 15th December. Meanwhile, those who are left need to figure out how to get the same work done with less people. Most of these people can only dream of $200k, let alone $300k. As for wanting more than 3%, are you aware that the rest of the country is getting 2%????? These are the things that influence pilot remuneration, not national average wage growth figures. JQ conditions are behind their Group colleagues and behind their major competitors so clearly there is some catching up to do. JQ is making hundreds of millions in profit so they certainly have the capacity to afford it. |
Originally Posted by Arthur D
(Post 10618288)
Rubbish.
Right now throughout the Qantas Group (and Virgin) non operational staff on significantly less $$ than pilots are being handed letters and told to eff off by the 15th December. Meanwhile, those who are left need to figure out how to get the same work done with less people. Most of these people can only dream of $200k, let alone $300k. As for wanting more than 3%, are you aware that the rest of the country is getting 2%????? My surgeon mate is on $750K - don’t begrudge him at all - I’m not a surgeon.. As for the 2% - Qantas Grouo all took some pay freezes previously. Time to pay up while “the getting is good”. Bring on the fight - enough is enough. Good luck and stay strong. |
So someone in the negotiating team thought.... ‘I know, we’ll outsmart em, lets do PIA...... check mate Jetstar.’ I can just imagine the backslapping and grandstanding after 50 beers at the BP. JQ will drag you through the media and internal Comms. Be prepared to experience the ire of the general public and your other work colleagues alike. I think you would be surprised if you came out of your cave what the other operational staff think. There is no love for the basket weaving street dwellers out there I can assure you. I gave up caring about what other people think about me a long time ago. Moreover - are you ready for the bigger fight with the mother ship and its leader? He is not a leader. Not by a long stretch. It looks like they are ready for that fight too BTW. Right now throughout the Qantas Group (and Virgin) non operational staff on significantly less $$ than pilots are being handed letters and told to eff off by the 15th December. Meanwhile, those who are left need to figure out how to get the same work done with less people. I certainly do not see any fat in the operational areas, in fact, quite the opposite. Operational areas have been cut over many years and are critically understaffed in a lot of areas. Sounds like you are referring to the basket weavers again. Well, you have to share the pain if cuts are needed. Ask the Airport staff how much pain they have suffered. Ask the Engineers and Ramp as well while you are at it. Most of these people can only dream of $200k, let alone $300k. Most of these people do not hold the qualification to earn that sort of money. I tell you what, there are a lot of people who dream every week of winning 24 million dollars. As for wanting more than 3%, are you aware that the rest of the country is getting 2%????? My insurances went up 7%. Should I write and tell them that as my pay only went up 2% that is all they can do? Or freeze their premiums when I took a pay freeze MULTIPLE times. You get what you bargain for and I wish the JQ pilots all the very best in their endeavours. They deserve it. Unlike the obscene amounts of money being stolen from the business by managers. |
Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10618186)
Qantas IR is a huge empire. Creating conflict and dissent, pitting people against each other.
They will spare no expense to prove a point industrial. Economics, logic and common sense won't sway them it is ideology. Don’t believe the bull$hit and STICK TOGETHER!! |
To be honest I don’t give a s*$t if other people think my earnings are too high. They are welcome to licence up and earn that money too, just as I could go back to uni if I wanted to earn the $1 million plus that my mate earns as a surgeon. Pilot salaries should only be compared to pilot salaries, my point is that Qantas IR wants the IR action as it gives them a chance to try and split the pilot group (further) knowing that a fractured group is easier to control. |
The AFR is publishing that average Jetstar Cpt/FO widebody pay including super is $323, 274/ $234,516 and $304,576/184,260 for A320.
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Retort of the year What The. Well said. |
Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10618270)
Every Battle is won before it is ever fought.
- Sun Tzu This is won in Operating Revenue impact. |
Originally Posted by Vindiesel
(Post 10618906)
How's all that ancient Chinese miltary strategy working out for BALPA in British AIrways? https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...0-day-20792927
The BA pilots themselves will either reject or accept the intended offer. ..... If angry, irritate him. If equally matched, fight and if not: split and re-evaluate. Withdrawal of labour is a big undertaking and the system now is heavily stacked against organised labour. Fair Work is "fair" in name only. With CPI under quoting real lived inflation (as the definition excludes many necessities) and the "Accord" held "bargained" outcomes to CPI Real wages have gone only one direction: backwards. |
Why has the business allowed itself to get over staffed that it gets to this point? I certainly do not see any fat in the operational areas, in fact, quite the opposite. Operational areas have been cut over many years and are critically understaffed in a lot of areas. Sounds like you are referring to the basket weavers again. Well, you have to share the pain if cuts are needed. Ask the Airport staff how much pain they have suffered. Ask the Engineers and Ramp as well while you are at it. What better way to build an empire of adoring subjects, with whom to wave at from the balcony that "invest" heavily in non-revenue generating staff. The only thing missing at Coward street are big murals to dear "leader" Little Napoleon |
Withdrawal of labour is a big undertaking and the system now is heavily stacked against organised labour. Fair Work is "fair" in name only. With CPI under quoting real lived inflation (as the definition excludes many necessities) and the "Accord" held "bargained" outcomes to CPI Real wages have gone only one direction: backwards. |
PIA has no impact? Did you miss the whole Tiger thing? It cost $20 million. They drove management out the door. And I like to think it cost them a Managing Director. |
It was just over $10m actually. They didn't drive management out the door...please! Merren's role was dissolved obviously by Paul as part of his leadership team redesign. You now have the ex-GM of Engineering running TT as a...EGM.
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T Vasis on the defence again for anyone Management related... PS spoke to the peeps on the line. They all had one thing to say. Tiger Management is nothing but a bunch of narrow minded delusional clowns. The proof is in the numbers. Anyway MM has she pissed on outta there yet? |
You make me laugh PoppaJo. Hardly defending the management team. Simply correcting wheels_down. Have to calm emotional sensationalism. Tigerair has been and continues to be, a long-term failure. It has a poor model and poor strategy. And that is the result of more than just 'management'.
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Anyone on here that thinks the financial woes of the “competition” are as a result of pilot conditions is completely uniformed and possibly delusional. Couldn’t be further from the truth. |
Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 10618691)
Cry me a river - paid leave over Xmas. Whatever their salary, it was bargained for - and remunerated according to their role. If they want to earn what a pilot does? Become a pilot. My surgeon mate is on $750K - don’t begrudge him at all - I’m not a surgeon.. As for the 2% - Qantas Grouo all took some pay freezes previously. Time to pay up while “the getting is good”. Bring on the fight - enough is enough. Good luck and stay strong. As for the argument that We can’t pay pilots more, because then all the staff would want more, What a shallow cynical argument that is. Bravo Arthur D, it’s clowns like you who continue to devalue our profession. |
When can Jetstar, QF Shorthaul and QF Longhaul take PIA? |
Originally Posted by Predator Jock
(Post 10620048)
When can Jetstar, QF Shorthaul and QF Longhaul take PIA? AFAP must first apply to the FWC for a protected action ballot order. I don't know if that's been started yet but that process won't happen overnight. Once granted, AFAP need to hold a ballot of members to determine if they are in favour of taking industrial action. I imagine that AFAP will have some rules about notice to members for running ballots so there's likely to be a delay there. The Australian Electoral Commission normally runs those ballots so that's not going to happen overnight either. If the ballot is successful AFAP then need to give JQ a minimum of three business days notice of their intentions. Long story short, it'll be a minimum of a few weeks till anyone can down tools. |
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