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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
(Post 10521322)
People seem transfixed on the “pay rise” aspect only and how it’s risky in a softening economy. Anything being asked for in this latest round of EBAs is merely a correction (not a pay rise) to the stagnated wage growth forced upon pilots during the last decade or so. Airlines have skimmed the cream off that wage stagnation for a very long time. Talk of company failures and the end of days in aviation is old playbook smoke and mirrors, and pretty boring. The playbook involves using contractors and outsourcing. Then of course drag out "negotiation" until the economic cycle rolls over and then begin in earnest the scare campaign. That the EBA outcomes are held at CPI ( a government derived measure that lacks any real reference to cost of living) real wages (purchasing power) has declined in most western economies over the last decades (plural) Wash, rinse and repeat. |
The smart money is that Tiger will close, and be absorbed into Virgin, which at last glance, was north of $1.6B loss over the last 6 years. If TT can maintain a positive EBITDA - then it isn't a burden on VA's balance sheet, and provides the competitive protection from another start-up coming in and having a go aka Lion Air, Air Asia etc. |
I think QF allows tiger and virgin to scrape by. Imagine if they had a cashed up strong competitor come in? As for JQ. If the EBA is any less than Tiger, there would be a large and significant uproar. The only way this will get over the line is if they play dirty. IE offer deals to the SOs and FOs or Captains and SOs etc to get the required 50.1% yes. Whatever the outcome, it’s going to be a pissed off pilot workforce. There ain’t no bigger piece of the pie anymore. It’s just squabbling over who gets the most crumbs. |
Originally Posted by Weapons Grade
(Post 10520530)
The heliograph flashing from Village Virgin is that there is to be an announcement by COB Friday regarding the current status and future of Tiger.
The smart money is that Tiger will close, and be absorbed into Virgin, which at last glance, was north of $1.6B loss over the last 6 years. One opines that Virgin will be between nowhere and nowhere as it cannot compete with Qantas group's premium (sic) service, and cannot compete with Qantas group's low cost carrier services. My tray table is stowed; my reclining seat/bed is now in the takeoff and landing position; and, am awaiting the onset of severe turbulence which is forecast. Perhaps it is just a rumour, and will amount to nought. Perhaps. Looks like that Heliograph is signaling something else. Almost COB Friday......nothings happened. |
Qantas 2011
The fuel bill for the group last FY was $3.232B - how much can we add to that? 5%? 10%?? Easiest PIA ever - no pax inconvenienced |
Could I be correct in assuming there is minimal crew engagement regarding the uniforms with the note attached at sign on this afternoon?
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You’ll have to explain Ragnor |
Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10529454)
Could I be correct in assuming there is minimal crew engagement regarding the uniforms with the note attached at sign on this afternoon?
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Hats for everyone and new polo shirts with our embroided names. Should make up appear more hip and fun ;-) |
It’ll end up being the black cabin crew uniform with orange bars and an orange jacket :) Kind of like the qantas one being cabin crew shirts and jackets/pants etc with a different tie and bars/wings. |
Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
(Post 10529585)
every pilot I’ve spoken to has done the survey. No point whining about the new uniform if you didn’t have your say when given the chance Kind of like the qantas one being cabin crew shirts and jackets/pants etc with a different tie and bars/wings. Surveys don't matter. Nodding heads will feign their interest as long as it takes to sign a supply contract. That contract will align supply chains with cabin crew and ground crew to minimise unit cost. Pretending to care is the modern corporate. The new uniform a mix of toxicity and impracticality, with plenty of man-made chemical compounds floating around. Much cheaper than cotton and wool. https://www.inquisitr.com/4346446/am...oisoning-them/ |
Any delays beyond 15 mins is recorded as an OTP delay. I guess when they kick even the nicest of dogs enough, they will bite so the saying goes. Shame to be hearing that the good will appears to have run out with the line drivers. |
Fact of the matter is that the timing is terrible, expect a big profit announcement followed closely by all the messaging around softening demand, slowing global growth etc. There will be no massive gains in this contract, I base this on EVERY negotiation so far where the pilot group has been out manoeuvred by management at every step, why is it going to be any different this time around? I say this to everyone I fly with to try and get a bit of spark lit up for a scrap but generally most just go ‘yep that’s what I think too’. |
HI guys, not sure if this is the correct thread or not but regarding all of the contract concerns I am curious to know what the majority union for Jetstar Australia is. Thanks for your troubles. |
AFAP have the majority |
...this has gone quiet?
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Seems like it.
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Is there any argument for why JQ should pay less than Tiger? |
Because Tiger seems content to run it’s business at a loss to ensure market share and ALL of it’s costs are not the true market rate / value that can be sustained long term. |
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