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Paddleboat 27th Dec 2019 05:58


Originally Posted by cLeArIcE (Post 10647971)
Unfortunately sick days and fatigue calls are needed just to manage one's roster on a regular monthly basis.

You mean Fraud days right? You big fraud.

gordonfvckingramsay 27th Dec 2019 07:38

Fraud days if you want to call them that. What is personal leave supposed to be used for if not to manage ones fitness to operate?

Buster Hyman 27th Dec 2019 11:40


Originally Posted by Berealgetreal (Post 10647955)
Heads up for the JQ pilots. Over at the opposition a lot of effort went into log of claims to address lifestyle issues (getting worked like a dog, living out of a suitcase to mention just a few of many). It seemed to work over a couple of rosters but in the end it ended up worse than ever as levers were pulled in the background.

So, the "fixed" rosters didn't work out? What a shock. :hmm:

Ollie Onion 27th Dec 2019 20:32

In the posters defence UFD and FTG days are there specifically for that purpose, don’t forget FTG mitigation is joint responsibility and if a pilot thinks they are not FIT to fly for ANY reason it is up to them to remove themselves from that duty. FIT doesn’t just mean sick.

Sunfish 27th Dec 2019 21:31

This morning friends are stuck in Hawaii courtesy of Jetstar, cancellations at 12 hours notice at the end of their Hawaiian holiday, all hotels full and no seats until 2-3 Jan perhaps. This was apparently a Qantas code share flight as well - there wasn’t a Qantas mainline alternative flight. He and his family are now venting all over facebook, instagram, Twitter, etc. Pilot industrial action will no doubt be blamed.

This just reinforces people’s perceptions that Qantas Group are unreliable and poor value to boot.

wheels_down 27th Dec 2019 21:53


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10648558)
This morning friends are stuck in Hawaii courtesy of Jetstar, cancellations at 12 hours notice at the end of their Hawaiian holiday, all hotels full and no seats until 2-3 Jan perhaps. This was apparently a Qantas code share flight as well - there wasn’t a Qantas mainline alternative flight. He and his family are now venting all over facebook, instagram, Twitter, etc. Pilot industrial action will no doubt be blamed.

This just reinforces people’s perceptions that Qantas Group are unreliable and poor value to boot.

sunny VKD is broken. Lemon Liners are not known for ongoing reliability.

Its more a case of ‘which one is broken this week’.

73qanda 27th Dec 2019 22:36

Give it some space, it’ll fix itself.

Ragnor 28th Dec 2019 04:57


Originally Posted by wheels_down (Post 10648570)

sunny VKD is broken. Lemon Liners are not known for ongoing reliability.

Its more a case of ‘which one is broken this week’.

Send them to QF haha. They can have them all.

Blitzkrieger 28th Dec 2019 06:37

Are the Lemon Liners intrinsically unreliable or is it a matter of QF maintaining them to the bare minimum like they do with some other types?

dragon man 28th Dec 2019 06:41


Originally Posted by Blitzkrieger (Post 10648790)
Are the Lemon Liners intrinsically unreliable or is it a matter of QF maintaining them to the bare minimum like they do with some other types?

Qantas don’t maintain them, I think most is outsourced to the cheapest bidder, hence the issues.

PPRuNeUser0198 28th Dec 2019 08:06


A payrise for all the pilots at the star would only cost the company what, ~20mil? Whats so diffucult
One word - precedence. Jetstar cannot allow the pilots or ground staff to win. It will establish a theme of 'strike and we will get what we want' across all groups. Not going to happen. I guarantee Jetstar will not budge and will burn cash instead to ensure no precedent is set. Your actions will be futile, unfortunately.


Are the Lemon Liners intrinsically unreliable or is it a matter of QF maintaining them to the bare minimum like they do with some other types?
Have some stats to support this?

Clipster 28th Dec 2019 08:46

One acronym for you T-Vasis. FWA. It’s not all about what either side wants.

Oriana 28th Dec 2019 08:58


I guarantee Jetstar will not budge and will burn cash instead to ensure no precedent is set. Your actions will be futile, unfortunately
Everywhere, in every struggle - there has been defeatists that say 'struggle is futile'.

At the very least, have SOME pride. Don't just bend over and spread the cheeks and let them have at you ad infinitum.

Sheesh.

Good luck to the JQ crews.

Sunfish 28th Dec 2019 11:26

I assume FWA Commissioners are chairman’s lounge members.

maggot 28th Dec 2019 19:32


Originally Posted by A little birdie (Post 10648912)
Qantas will likely view FWA determination as a win. It was largely a status quo outcome the previous times Qantas was at FWA.

Theyll claim it as such but it's more likely to be even handed from both sides perspective. They're not going to branch out grossly

hawk_eye 28th Dec 2019 19:48


Originally Posted by A little birdie (Post 10648912)
Qantas will likely view FWA determination as a win. It was largely a status quo outcome the previous times Qantas was at FWA.

And this is the point - Pilots do not want this going to arbitration.

It’s worth remembering that it’s the government of the day that appoints Fair Work Commissioners who will ultimately be the ones arbitrating an outcome - and that the Government over the last 6 years is not exactly a friend of the Unions. All you have to do is look at some of the previous Ministers for Industrial Relations - Eric Abetz and Michaelia Cash (very right wing members of the Liberal Party).

If this goes to Arbitration - look for the Company to be asking for less than 3% pay increases.

Good on the JQ pilots for taking it up to the Company and arguing against this arbitrary wages policy. However I am not sure what the strategy is from here (or what it really was from the start - but that’s for another discussion) and unfortunately the pilot group may find out just how unfairly stacked the ‘system’ is in favour of big business in this country.

Rated De 28th Dec 2019 19:54


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10648962)
I assume FWA Commissioners are chairman’s lounge members.

Precisely.
Soft Corruption works a treat.
The heads of ASIC, APRA, ACCC et al are all likely members on the non disclosed, non discussed, non audited example of Australian corruption.

The only part of Fair Work Australia that is fair is the name. The "commission" stacked with right wing zealots appointed by the same idiots that are happy to fiddle (in Hawaii) why Sydney burns.

clark y 28th Dec 2019 21:20

Soft corruption- is that like being half pregnant?

JPJP 28th Dec 2019 21:55


Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 (Post 10647433)

Mmm...A sleeping giant. Ironic maybe?

Or, in this case - a sleeping fork toothed midget. Although, it appears he had his teeth fixed ? I guess that 20 million dollar remuneration package isn’t going to spend itself.

I wish the Jetstar pilot group every success, and an EBA that reflects their efforts. And that’s a great deal higher than 3%.

Joyce has done consistently mediocre work, whilst earning more than the CEOs of the worlds most profitable airlines. Alan wouldn’t put up with 3%. And nor would “General” Yamamoto” 😂 (where do they find these people ? No wonder he’s so grateful for the status quo)

Bula 29th Dec 2019 00:27

Perhaps the MBA thought it was a subsidiary of General Motors....


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