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It wasn’t part of the negotiation as the company has been forced to do it. They are going to have to instigate CAO 48 due to their failure to get a FRMS approved and under this regime BOC’s are not possible or are horribly restrictive so I think they are changing at their own convenience instead of being forced allmat once. |
Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
(Post 10645988)
Back of the clocks becoming overnights is a step in the right direction. I’m surprised the company didn’t try and integrate it into the negotiation so they could ‘sell’ it to us. It’s been a long time coming but is a major issue that has finally been addressed. |
If it was going to happen anyway, why was it in the unions log of claims? my understanding is the MEL-PER-MEL was still legal under CAO 48.1 |
my understanding is the MEL-PER-MEL was still legal under CAO 48.1 |
The avalanche of fatigue reports probably helped as well. |
I was told straight from the horses mouth that the intro of CAO48.1 was the reason they were splitting the BOC’s and that without this they would be remaining. main delay was ensuring enough crew to do it. The unions on both sides of the Tasman are claiming victory with this but it was always going to happen, it was first mentioned to me about 6 months ago with the aim of implementation by Xmas. They almost made it :-) |
The avalanche of fatigue reports probably helped as well. |
Originally Posted by Lookleft
(Post 10646506)
You mean the fatigue reports that have been submitted for the last 15 years?
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
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CAO 48.1! Don’t think for a second that they are doing to be nice, it’s because they have to. |
It could rain hundred dollar bills and you lot would still whine like spoilt children. It’s getting tiresome. |
It could rain hundred dollar bills and you lot would still whine like spoilt children. It’s getting tiresome. |
It could rain hundred dollar bills and you lot would still whine like spoilt children. It’s getting tiresome. It's a little different to office workers whose only risk each day might be a particularly nasty scalding burn from a carelessly poured cup of coffee. Unfortunately explaining things like having to make split second decisions in very fluid environments that can very quickly become extremely life threatening to someone who has only ever worried where their car is parked each day is like explaining the Manhattan Project to an Amazonian tribesman. |
Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 10646500)
I was told straight from the horses mouth that the intro of CAO48.1 was the reason they were splitting the BOC’s and that without this they would be remaining. main delay was ensuring enough crew to do it. |
Originally Posted by FOI
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It could rain hundred dollar bills and you lot would still whine like spoilt children. It’s getting tiresome. |
Originally Posted by V-Jet
(Post 10646540)
No amount of money helps at all when you are so tired you are struggling not to throw up and have a complex arrival to plan and execute in poor weather.
It's a little different to office workers whose only risk each day might be a particularly nasty scalding burn from a carelessly poured cup of coffee. Unfortunately explaining things like having to make split second decisions in very fluid environments that can very quickly become extremely life threatening to someone who has only ever worried where their car is parked each day is like explaining the Manhattan Project to an Amazonian tribesman. |
Originally Posted by The name is Porter
(Post 10646534)
Well don't read it. Someone twisting your arm? Forcing you to read it? FFS.
If this thread is akin to some Turkish bath, where only those wanting to steam each other up are permitted to participate, then clearly I’m not in the democratic land I thought I was.... Carry on... the sky is falling is where I think you left it... |
I thought all the Management Trolls went on holidays on the 19th, not to be seen until mid-January- just go away , go back to reading qrewroom or some other crap like that, we know how much you and you bosses hate us.
24 million reasons to vote no. |
Originally Posted by Paddleboat
(Post 10646556)
Troll elsewhere thanks mate. JQ pilots are sick of being at the bottom of the list for pay, by a significant margin, when their productivity and responsibility puts them firmly at the top. If you expect them to smile and carry on whilst the actual spoiled children, you know the ones paying themselves record bonuses and then blatantly lying in the media about what we do, you're going to be disappointed.
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FOI you seem as passionate as the rest of us about this EBA. You also deny being a company troll. If we are all wrong on both counts, why don’t you tell us all why you believe the status quo should remain. And by status quo I mean a gradual relative decline in pay and conditions via stagnation. And why don’t you tell us why you are so opposed to us pushing back finally, what’s the big threat you would like to avoid? your argument is empty and contrary at best. |
If back of the clock 2 man red eyes go then that would be a win for any crew! Some people enjoy them, others hate them and struggle, don’t sling ****e at each other, embrace each other’s opinions. No one version is built for all. However do look to the right and left at times and see each other micro napping outside of controlled rest. Yes throw in ****e wx etc and it is even harder and more demanding. It’s not all about $, lifestyle certainly comes into it. |
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