That makes good sense ‘Bug Smasher Smasher’. I guess the ex-JQ 320’s at Network would work well for this exercise. The clubs could fill the 100 odd spare seats with their members and supporters.

Oh well, this is a rumour network. I hadn’t considered the numbers. Sounds like BS then.

Warning, thread drift.

be interesting to see what happens here. When JB was still at QF, he stated that they didn’t want to sign to the AFL, as the deal meant you couldn’t sponsor any other sport. Then he inherited just that when he moved to Brisbane. Be curious if he’s told the AFL to shove it. Either way, with the sentiment expressed be JB at the time, and I would assume QF’s resistance to such a clause, the AFL most likely wouldn’t be able to insist on that requirement this time.

Bring on more recruiting. Being of the “hate everything” generation in QF, it’s getting harder to get people to listen to my rants of negativity. It’s quite refreshing.

The network A320s don’t/won’t do much work on the weekends.

So its highly plausible they could be the AFL machines.

That would have to have been about 15 years ago. Obviously that special treatment hasn’t been working over the last few years!

Anyone have any course info for the June/July ground schools?
Wondering if it’s strictly 78 expected for new hires here on in or is there still the odd treacle onto other fleets?
ILC

They don’t. As such, the rest of your post is irrelevant.

As has been outlined earlier in the thread 737 F/O’s are making $200-240K

Refer to your sentence immediately before that one.

One of the best things about the whole Qantas pilot situation is choice (tempered by seniority and time).
When first hired you are allocated a type, now that type should be 787 but occasionally other types due to the company filling required places.
From then on you choose where and on what type you wish to be and any movement off your current position is awarded by seniority on what you choose to type into your LOP, (letter of preference).
737 first officer positions in Perth or Adelaide available virtually immediately if you CHOOSE!
Some pilots will want the fast promotion through the ranks and choose 737 in the West until a command, others will choose to stay longhaul as SO or FO for a long time to live in the city of their choice. For some it is : “if it’s not Boeing I aint going”, for some it is the joy of eating a crew meal on a table! Thank goodness everyone has various ideas of a perfect lifestyle as even the trips on each type have some variance.
Pay varies through types and ranks for a number of reasons, 12 year increments on established long haul types being one reason, overtime on long routes being another. Longhaul FOs are paid 65% of Captain, SOs 50%, not too hard to figure out, payrates are public.
Again, seniority permitting : it is your choice where, when and what you fly.

If you don’t think this if a fit system then don’t f$&&(*& join and THEN bitch about it, you don’t even need to interview with Qantas if you don’t choose!;)

When the 767 F/Os were demoted to the A380 they took a 4% hit on the hourly rate and picked up about 30% overtime for a big pay rise. It has always been thus. When I became a 767 F/O in ‘97 i was earning in the vicinity of 1/3 less than my colleagues who remained as 744 S/Os.

Improvements since then have dramatically decreased the chances of this happening but keep in mind QF have a 12 Year scale so the numbers become distorted quite quickly when a large swathe of your workforce has had little opportunity for promotion from 2009- 2016. Certainly the new S/Os on years 1 and 2 pay aren’t earning more than a 737 F/O. Those employed in August 16 are only max of year three pay and would be unlikely to as well even if they’re on the A380.

So if QF want to keep their S/O pay down the key is to be promoting people to F/O and Captain more quickly. Something they didn’t realise when they made movement to JQ prohibitively difficult.

I’d also say that the those high salary’s for SO’s will more than likey be a thing of the past for most new joiners now. The 744 is being retired and the A380 would be full, especially now that the 744 looks like it will RIN in some form, and the change in the flying program for that type. Those that choose to stay on the A380 (if they can survive the RIN), will hold onto all the positions available with very little numbers leaving the gravy train. So I’d suspect that people choosing the 737 will increase, as it will really be the only option available.

with an hourly rate of $196.60 i assume the above wage includes allowances and flying 90 hours a month?

Dragon Man

No, those numbers are correct for about 75hrs and don’t include allowances. There are 13 bidperiods per year.