Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete
(Post 11520713)
Still waiting for Qantas group to offer scholarships that target “equal gender employment” in all their roles - like bag chuckers. You know, those occupations that Qantas can’t make PR mileage out of equal opportunity.
You’d think people would be happy about it but apparently there has been a court case (or 3) over it. Qantas just can get a break. ;) |
Originally Posted by Oldbrigade
(Post 11520942)
Yep agree with all that, however most candidates today have not been in the industry long enough to have any idea as to what empathy is all about. It is an acquired culture , obtained after years of exposure to the profession.
It takes years to develop a sound airline pilot, but as long as the candidate can demonstrate motivation and reasonable competency, it should be considered a good starting point. I challenge any interview panel to guarantee that a two hundred hour candidate will have all the attributes required to satisfy the long term culture of the employer. |
Originally Posted by Oldbrigade
(Post 11520942)
Yep agree with all that, however most candidates today have not been in the industry long enough to have any idea as to what empathy is all about. It is an acquired culture , obtained after years of exposure to the profession. It takes years to develop a sound airline pilot, but as long as the candidate can demonstrate motivation and reasonable competency, it should be considered a good starting point. I challenge any interview panel to guarantee that a two hundred hour candidate will have all the attributes required to satisfy the long term culture of the employer.
Mate the idea of recruitment for an airline at least, is to pick people who can show that they can be developed into sound airline pilots. This includes cadets. If your check and training system plus your line pilots can’t help develop a cadet, then there’s clearly some issues with it. |
Originally Posted by Beer Baron
(Post 11520969)
They have actually managed to achieve that metric already. There are the now the exact same amount of female and male baggage handlers employed by Qantas.
You’d think people would be happy about it but apparently there has been a court case (or 3) over it. Qantas just can get a break. ;) haha brilliant. You’re right! Exactly the same amount employed by Q |
Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete
(Post 11520713)
Still waiting for Qantas group to offer scholarships that target “equal gender employment” in all their roles - like bag chuckers. You know, those occupations that Qantas can’t make PR mileage out of equal opportunity.
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A re-fueler has mentioned just less than 200 or so mainline pilots applied to be pilot recruiters for this next intake , looks like crew want to have a say in who they work with and not quotas.
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
(Post 11521281)
A re-fueler has mentioned just less than 200 or so mainline pilots applied to be pilot recruiters for this next intake , looks like crew want to have a say in who they work with and not quotas.
For all those who talk about “quotas” I ask if they are seeing levels of competence decreasing due to these supposed “quotas”. Then they usually are forced to admit the current generation of recruits are generally competent, hard working and good people to go flying with, as most are. |
The back in my day successful guys who have retired at 65 with unblemished careers and runs on the board are numerous. Most of us would never have achieved our 25000K plus hours on many different fleets, had we not had the talent and know how to adjust and move with all of the best world practice traits. I guarantee we know our stuff, our record proves it, and if we express a view here, it is not on a social whim, but based on cold hard experience.
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Originally Posted by Oldbrigade
(Post 11521355)
The back in my day successful guys who have retired at 65 with unblemished careers and runs on the board are numerous. Most of us would never have achieved our 25000K plus hours on many different fleets, had we not had the talent and know how to adjust and move with all of the best world practice traits. I guarantee we know our stuff, our record proves it, and if we express a view here, it is not on a social whim, but based on cold hard experience.
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Originally Posted by Oldbrigade
(Post 11521355)
The back in my day successful guys who have retired at 65 with unblemished careers and runs on the board are numerous. Most of us would never have achieved our 25000K plus hours on many different fleets, had we not had the talent and know how to adjust and move with all of the best world practice traits. I guarantee we know our stuff, our record proves it, and if we express a view here, it is not on a social whim, but based on cold hard experience.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11521309)
Over the last several years, both pre and post Covid, the % of female recruits roughly matches the % of female applicants.
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
(Post 11521695)
sounds like 99% success rate then? Not digging you Dr I value your work here but that looks like a quota being filled.
So if 1000 people apply and 100 of them are hired, if 10% are female (100 female applicants) then roughly 10 of the 100 hires are female. So no favouritism shown (ie no quota). |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11521711)
No - to make it clear what I mean is women are being hired at roughly the same rate as they apply.
So if 1000 people apply and 100 of them are hired, if 10% are female (100 female applicants) then roughly 10 of the 100 hires are female. So no favouritism shown (ie no quota). |
yep, indeed, because we know how good results are generated. Not by social media, not by hubris, but by seriously understanding aviation. QF is only one of many legacy Airlines. It is not the benchmark of all things to all aviators. It is a great Airline, and it’s safety record is unsurpassed, but going forward, HR should have more confidence in flight operations to totally control the agenda, hence my original comments on this forum, and yes, I have worked for QF, and
I am not angry. |
If there's a quota they're doing a terrible job fulfilling it.
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11521885)
If there's a quota they're doing a terrible job fulfilling it.
I think a lot of the fear spread about supposed ‘quotas’ is from some pilots who weren’t successful with their application but can’t accept it, so they take comfort in believing they fell victim to the mythical ‘quota’. |
anyone know of the average time on a hold fire for internals (JQ). im aware it could be a while, just curious
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11521925)
Exactly. Roughly 1-3 women on each course of about 12-20.
I think a lot of the fear spread about supposed ‘quotas’ is from some pilots who weren’t successful with their application but can’t accept it, so they take comfort in believing they fell victim to the mythical ‘quota’. |
Originally Posted by Climb150
(Post 11522332)
Have you ever heard of a women having an interview at Mainline and getting rejected?
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Originally Posted by Climb150
(Post 11522332)
Have you ever heard of a women having an interview at Mainline and getting rejected?
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