And EFA and Atlas.

Freighters don’t count :p

I can already hear the excited network pilots over the possibility of entirely stealing the mainline RPT network out west for half the wage. Wooh, let’s fly a hand me down airbus for $120k as an FO.

Fun fact, the cleaners they fly out to the mines who go out to scrub toilet bowls at mine sites literally get paid more than Network FOs. And before any of you pipe up — go enquire about it on your next day-stay.

Network can barely keep their current level of flying operational, just like all the other subsidiaries. The ability to keep pilots on a wage of low $100k for a jet FO in the current market is not sustainable. At least one subsidiary has apparently put out the red alert for losing crew. And the others aren’t far off.

I have no doubt management would outsource all mainline flying if they could, fortunately supply and demand isn’t on their side at the moment. Plus have heard some rumblings that the IR types are realising that they have to keep people within the group or otherwise they’re at risk of losing them to the outside in the long run. For most people at a subsidiary that means some realistic profession to mainline, not a tiny drip feed. Apparently most recruiting this year will be internal as a consequence, according to a previous thread.

For instance a couple of thousand Airbus hours and the world’s your oyster, off to the ME and then 350/380 command within 4 years. Or 747 freighter skipper within 4 years.

What happens when QF buys another airline? More expectations to meet to avoid expensive and crippling rates of pilot attrition. Is this model of career progression sustainable? As an outsider observing, with the upcoming training required in the Group, there’s no pleasing everyone and the mess could well be unmanageable.

There’s more than a trickle of pilots returning abroad to markets that are arguably still paying COVID rates. Improvements and emerging opportunities in recovering regions, will see many more leave subsidiaries and have management scratching their heads.

Has anyone that interviewed (external) in the second half of 2022 got a start date yet? Surly they must be getting close to allocating some more start dates?

No, I got the yes in October and still haven’t heard. :-(

Same here Sim done in August and got hold file email in September and no word from them still.

I know others I interviewed with are the same and others that interviewed a few weeks prior are also yet to hear anything. Hopefully something will come in the next few weeks months.

The refueller tells me there's a handful of QFPP graduates about to start at Jetstar as F/Os on the A320, with whatever dozens of hours they have at the end of the program.

there’s still people starting from the 2018 recruitment drive starting in the coming months. Some people waited 4 weeks, some waited 4 years. There is no point trying to make sense of HR.

Current Courses
 

Has anyone got word for March, April, or May Course Dates being a thing? I know someone who is starting Feb, interview back in June but it’s been silent for others I know that interviewed just after since.

No, I know Feb course was filled but I get the feeling they’re backlogged as I have heard of no one from March onwards.

Hiring is about to halt. The seniority list is back up to where it was pre covid for the last 3 dreamliners.

It'll be a trickle from now on as QF is down 4 widebodys in the last two years.

Expect to be given a secondment offer to go to NJS to fly the A220 on whatever the NJS conditions are.

Several more 380s worth to crew, and the 330 isn't fully utilised yet. Recruitment for the A350 starts soon, and that'll be over and above current numbers.
The projected recruitment numbers are approx 200 new recruits per year for the next 4 years.

Haha, not likely.

Dr Dre is on the money..

PPRUNE at its neurotic best. Recruitment somewhere between ZERO per year and 400 per year. Not really helpful.

Throw in the possibility of a major war plus more interest rate rises and a probable recession in Australia and the reality is no one knows how long recruitment will continue for.

The idea of a recession really gets overplayed in its effect. Anyone with a steady job is actually better of in a recession, prices drop or stagnate. A recession that we are likely to have would be just under zero or slightly negative growth, hardly something that will stifle demand for air travel. Australia still has not welcomed back all the foreign students and foreign workers so demand is still rising.

You forgot to mention the pilots actually leaving to go to better jobs OS. Things are bad when the national carrier is losing people.

yeah you’re clearly born in 2001