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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
(Post 10566198)
Probably because they’re not logging ICUS for their ATPL requirements in the back seat. |
Hold on. So 5 years as a SO 787 back seat then your telling me they only need to log a year or two on the 320 FO before getting an upgrade? Essentially only two years of real domestic stick experience before getting the LHS? Sounds dangerous. |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10566284)
Hold on. So 5 years as a SO 787 back seat then your telling me they only need to log a year or two on the 320 FO before getting an upgrade? Essentially only two years of real domestic stick experience before getting the LHS? Sounds dangerous. |
For anyone who is interested in the cadetship, as long as PPL hasn't been acquired there is no limit on hours allowed (my 200TT is fine).
Secondarily, according to the lady I spoke with at CAE, 'you will be served very well if you have past experience such as flight hours, so please make sure you put it down, it'll be really good'. So I guess the majority of applicants apply with very little or no prior aviation experience (as would be expected for an ab-initio cadetship). Good to keep in mind though. |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10566284)
Hold on. So 5 years as a SO 787 back seat then your telling me they only need to log a year or two on the 320 FO before getting an upgrade? Essentially only two years of real domestic stick experience before getting the LHS? Sounds dangerous. But thats not too far off the minima in other parts of the world. I believe Ryanair are upgrading F/O’s after 3000hrs/3.5 years in company. This of course is cadets who were selected and trained for the role and were put on formal command preparation course for a few years prior to the upgrade. They’re flying more than 400 aircraft around a continent that is probably more challenging than this one and aren’t losing aircraft. In the US some of their regional carriers using CRJ/E-Jets are currently upgrading FO’s after 1000 airline hours (after 1500hrs of mostly instructing) and just over a year in the airline. I’d argue that this isn’t as safe as a mentored Cadetship but they still aren’t losing aircraft. With good selection and focused training, plus development of skills as an FO there’s no reason why a command upgrade can’t be done within 4-5 years, as other airlines have proved. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10566420)
Realistically it’d be far more than two years to command.
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat
(Post 10566443)
You reckon? Everyones favorite youtube personality/Music popstar sensation/male model just got onto the 320 from the 787. Looking at the numbers, there is every chance he'll hit the seniority before he hits the min hours requirement.
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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
(Post 10566490)
I look forward to the VLOG. Or does it start with an F? |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10566420)
Realistically it’d be far more than two years to command. There was an article about a JQ Pacific FO upgrading after about 5 years in the company and for Australian bases it’d be more. But thats not too far off the minima in other parts of the world. I believe Ryanair are upgrading F/O’s after 3000hrs/3.5 years in company. This of course is cadets who were selected and trained for the role and were put on formal command preparation course for a few years prior to the upgrade. They’re flying more than 400 aircraft around a continent that is probably more challenging than this one and aren’t losing aircraft. In the US some of their regional carriers using CRJ/E-Jets are currently upgrading FO’s after 1000 airline hours (after 1500hrs of mostly instructing) and just over a year in the airline. I’d argue that this isn’t as safe as a mentored Cadetship but they still aren’t losing aircraft. With good selection and focused training, plus development of skills as an FO there’s no reason why a command upgrade can’t be done within 4-5 years, as other airlines have proved. What is is happening here is we have C172 200 hours, 5 years back seat watching on the 787, then as little as 18 months A320 FO before the command course. There isn’t a lot of stick time in there. Forget the long haul 787 back seat time. That’s 18-24 months of domestic slogging. And its happening. Early 787 SOs are now on the Airbus right now. Some are claiming they are getting upgraded Christmas of next year. Don’t be surprised to see no more than a few thousand hours of TOTAL time BETWEEN both up front in years to come. Commonly seen in Air Asia and Vietjet and Bamboo Airways. |
If they hold an ATPL and pass the checks like everybody else, then good on them.
Theres only one way to gain experience. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 10566767)
Your missing the point. What is is happening here is we have C172 200 hours, 5 years back seat watching on the 787, then as little as 18 months A320 FO before the command course. There isn’t a lot of stick time in there. Forget the long haul 787 back seat time. That’s 18-24 months of domestic slogging. And its happening. Early 787 SOs are now on the Airbus right now. Some are claiming they are getting upgraded Christmas of next year. Don’t be surprised to see no more than a few thousand hours of TOTAL time BETWEEN both up front in years to come. Commonly seen in Air Asia and Vietjet and Bamboo Airways. Bamboo Airways hasn’t even been operating for 12 months yet Poppa. I don’t believe they even have an upgrade program yet, so your assertions on them I think are wrong |
US regionals can upgrade an FO with only 1000 hours in the right seat. This is subject to you passing upgrade training of course. I have only seen one upgrade with the min hours. Most had between 1600 and 3000 hours as an FO.
They don't give out Capt bars in corn flakes packets. |
Achieving a command has a lot more to do with the attitude of the candidate than just the flying skills. People fail command checks usually because of a lack of preparation and/or the failure to change the mindset from support pilot to PIC. Plenty of people with lots of hours have failed command checks. If they are not up to the hands on skills then they won't get through the sim component but in my experience the younger pilots are good at flying the simulator. If they put the work in and understand that they are now the person responsible for the entire operation of that aircraft from stepping in to stepping off it then they should be fine. If they still think they are the head prefect of senior school then they will have difficulties.
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US regionals are not upgrading FOs with 2000 hours onto a 100 tonne A321. I’m aware of these pilots existing in Vietnam and that’s about it. Easyjet will get you to at least 5000. I never claimed Bamboo had an upgrade program, but I’m well aware they have low hours in both seats. |
Jetstar
Hi everyone , Need some information please 1) How are Jetstar rosters? is their any roster pattern you can opt for ? 2) I am a newly released A320 Captain . Is their any possibility that i can join Directly on a320 as a Captain (direct entry) or if not how much time to come on the left seat from right after having 1000 hours as PIC on the same aircraft . thank you |
Jet star
2 quick question:- 1) Can a A320 Captain get direct entry on A320 fleet on the left seat? 2) If not how much time to come from right seat to the left if you have 1000 hours as PIC ? i am talking about Jetstar Thanks |
Lol, that's gold.
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Originally Posted by Livelife09
(Post 10567055)
2 quick question:- 1) Can a A320 Captain get direct entry on A320 fleet on the left seat? 2) If not how much time to come from right seat to the left if you have 1000 hours as PIC ? i am talking about Jetstar Thanks Just no |
Current time to command at Jetstar NZ seems to be sitting at roughly 6-7 years. Hope that answers your question. |
Originally Posted by Livelife09
(Post 10567055)
2 quick question:- 1) Can a A320 Captain get direct entry on A320 fleet on the left seat? 2) If not how much time to come from right seat to the left if you have 1000 hours as PIC ? i am talking about Jetstar Thanks |
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