Originally Posted by Inspired
(Post 10565216)
If you have anything above a PPL you are overqualified.
Originally Posted by Sparrows.
(Post 10565221)
And no conditional employment contract. Conditional offer of employment with nothing in writing. Does anyone know what they are actually looking for in the application? Obviously passion and grit is a baseline so just trying to get a better idea of what I can do to better represent myself. |
Originally Posted by Sparrows.
(Post 10565221)
And no conditional employment contract. Conditional offer of employment with nothing in writing. Put yourself in the shoes of an 18 yo kid straight out of high school. An opportunity to do an 18 month course to then be flying all over Asia as a jet SO by the time they’re 20. And if they get sick of that, they have first dibs at positions within QF. |
Has any cadets been upgraded command on the bus yet? Must have been 7 or 8 years since they started the program |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10565270)
Has any cadets been upgraded command on the bus yet? Must have been 7 or 8 years since they started the program |
Yep, lot's of them.
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Put yourself in the shoes of an 18 yo kid straight out of high school. An opportunity to do an 18 month course to then be flying all over Asia as a jet SO by the time they’re 20. And if they get sick of that, they have first dibs at positions within QF. |
Originally Posted by Lookleft
(Post 10566042)
From what I have observed there are not that many 18 yo straight out of school cadets and the ones that are, are immature in the way they conduct themselves. The best cadets I have flown with are those with some previous work experience. I do agree with you that they get sick of being a Jetstar pilot because they start to realise that airline flying is not all glamour and cool sunglasses. I'm not sure though why you think they won't eventually feel the same way after the excitement of being a QF SO wears off. I'm also not sure why you think that they get "first dibs" within QF. They get the same opportunity as any other QF Group pilot. In fact they get less opportunity until they achieve the minimum PIC requirements.
I joined the airline as a cadet, straight out of high school and have loved the experience. |
Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
(Post 10566079)
I joined the airline as a cadet, straight out of high school and have loved the experience. |
Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
(Post 10566079)
They get first dibs at QF mainline jobs, given the groups preference to internal applications. Dozens have gone/are going. It’s not hard to go and hire a Cessna for 50 hours and get the required PIC. Its a great fork in the road to have. Stay at JQ and get an early command (for most cadets by the time they’re in their early 30’s) or go to QF and enjoy the benefits of working for a legacy carrier. I joined the airline as a cadet, straight out of high school and have loved the experience. |
By the time they leave school and go through Oxford by the time they are checked online with the Airbus they would be 21/22? Which would put the new cadet captains at 28-30yrs old. What about those who went right onto the 787. 787 SO to 320 FO to 320 CPT would be 15 years. Most probably leave for Emirates before it reaches that far. I dont think Jetstar is a long term career airline for the cadets. Chances of staying 40 or 50 years? |
Jetstar can be a great place to work. When you’re young, energetic and keen. But it’s not a ‘for your entire career’ airline. Unfortunately, the only career airline in Australia is Qantas. And you’ll be waiting most of your career to achieve your career goals. When I was a G.A./regional airline pilot the mere thought of cadets invoked a passionate response. It wasn’t pure. It wasn’t how you’re supposed to do it. Queue jumpers. Selfish little wart faced gits. all that talk. But - if you haven’t had a look around the boondocks recently, GA is a shadow of what it was when my contemporaries went up norf (sic). So cadets are the future. And I’d be a million ahead and in a far better career position than I am currently. So if you’re considering a career in aviation. Join the QF group as a cadet and see where it takes you. |
I joined the airline as a cadet, straight out of high school and have loved the experience. |
Originally Posted by Lookleft
(Post 10566138)
Your assertion however that Jetstar cadets have any greater chance or opportunity of moving to mainline than other QF group pilots is wrong.
Group pilots in general have a better chance at joining QF mainline than external applicants (JQ, QLink, EFA) |
Originally Posted by retardeduck
(Post 10566085)
ECAM would you mind if I sent you a PM?
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
(Post 10566144)
I never said that. Group pilots in general have a better chance at joining QF mainline than external applicants (JQ, QLink, EFA) Group pilots get the first interview and entry to the hold. However they are released from the hold on a commercial basis. So if you’re a link Pilot, some folk are still waiting from the first round of recruitment. You’re better off being external and a 737 driver from the opposition. Having said that, it’s good to see the company still recruit from within. There is a lot of experience now across the various divisions (and I mean divisions). |
So have many cadets left in the last decade? I’d imagine turnover will be high once they are 5 years into a 10 year potential command upgrade wait. The problem with cadets and I’ve seen this attitude as mentioned above is it’s not a career airline. This will bite in the future and they will get caught out with lack of people in the right seat because they don’t have anyone suitable left to upgrade. Or they can’t upgrade fast enough. The ex GA guy or girl that has worked for half dozen operators in the past will probably stay longer having seen a lot, and end up in management roles. |
Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
(Post 10566168)
That’s not true either. Group pilots get the first interview and entry to the hold. However they are released from the hold on a commercial basis. So if you’re a link Pilot, some folk are still waiting from the first round of recruitment. You’re better off being external and a 737 driver from the opposition. Having said that, it’s good to see the company still recruitment from within. There is a lot of experience now across the various divisions (and I mean divisions). I havent been through the QF recruitment process myself so I’m definitely not an expert. |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10566129)
Which would put the new cadet captains at 28-30yrs old. What about those who went right onto the 787. 787 SO to 320 FO to 320 CPT would be 15 years. How does being a 787 SO for 3 years cost you 7-8 years in getting your command? Approximately 7 years for a command, doesn’t mean 7 years as a 320 FO, means 7 years from the date you join. |
But you’re right, once on the hold file externals don’t have the problem of being held back by a subsidiary. It has always been an advantage to apply from a non-group subsidiary or to advise QF recruitment that another airline is going to interview you. The problem with cadets and I’ve seen this attitude as mentioned above is it’s not a career airline. This will bite in the future and they will get caught out with lack of people in the right seat because they don’t have anyone suitable left to upgrade. Or they can’t upgrade fast enough. |
Originally Posted by Sparrows.
(Post 10566195)
Why? How does being a 787 SO for 3 years cost you 7-8 years in getting your command? Approximately 7 years for a command, doesn’t mean 7 years as a 320 FO, means 7 years from the date you join. |
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