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The A380 to DFW is one of the few good decisions they have made I think. It will be able to make it both ways which has to be a good thing!:ok:
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As a regular hostie on both Dallas and JFK the 380 won't be able to take all the JFK punters that currently go to LAX. With up to 100 seats blocked out very few will get a guernsey on the 'bus. The only advantage with the 'bus is that it has 1st class and a bigger j/c and w/c zones so no need to carry as many y/c. Premium classes are where the money is. Why anyone in y/c would buy a comfort seat ex DFW is a complete mystery when there are so many empty seats.
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Your wrong about the A380 of course, but as you are losing some of your flying I see you have adopted the normal course of action of QF mainline FAs in slagging off and lying about anything that doesnt meet your self interest. Reminds me of the lies about the BKK FA basing (when it was running) and the ongoing slander you and your boiler mates indulge in with respect to the London Base Cabin Crew. |
Current Configs DFW
744-58j-36w-270y A380-14p-64j-35w-371y Even with 100 seats locked out the A380 puts on a minimum of 20 seats extra. The devils in the detail |
Nice bitch slapping, girls.
But it does bring up the point: For a service that pretty much depends on premium passengers to make a profit, how is the A380 going to cover its much higher operating costs on this route? Virtually the only difference in premium seat numbers in the configurations are the 14 P seats, and we all know who will be sitting in those. As for "The New York Ending Rumour", if the 747 does not go to JFK from LAX, it would just sit on the ground in LAX all day. It's still a hull, whether it is sitting in LAX or going to JFK and back. Actually, putting the A380 into Dallas has pretty much guaranteed that LAX-JFK will continue for the 747. If it wasn't tasked for DFW, that A380 would be used for the 107/108 SYD-LAX-SYD . This, in turn, would mean that the 15/16 Brisbane 747 would be the only 747 in LAX each morning potentially available to go to JFK. By flying the A380 to DFW, there are as a consequence still two 747s every day in LAX. The 15/16 and the 107/108. One can go to JFK during the day [either one] and the other can go to maintenance in LAX as required. If not required in maintenance it just sits in the sun soaking up the Southern California rays. The 747s are rotated through LAX for this very reason, to go into the hangar there. There aren't too many other places they can go for maintenance these days, sadly. So, in my opinion, you can retire the "JFK is ending" rumour. As for the "back to SFO again rumour" - no chance. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction - Isaac Newton |
Eureka! The answer to the A380 economics question just came to me, in the shower. [Don't try to visualize that, it's not pretty]
It's not premium pax that save the day for the A380 on the Dallas route. The A380 covers it's higher costs by carrying an extra 100 or so 'tourist class' pax TO Dallas. It just can't bring them back. So girls, be nice to those folks down the back on the way to DFW. They're paying somebody's bonus. I even nutted out a little country song. It was a long shower: 'One Way Ticket To Dallas' - by Captain Gidday. "We can take you any day to Dallas, But you'll have to come back Through LAX" |
Could be a positive or a negative for Jetstar HK if you read between the lines.
Warnings as China changes tune on Hong Kong |
How could you interpret that as potentialy positive for any foreign venture in. Hong Kong? That reads more like an explicit warning. Jetstar HK would be exactly the kind of thing the Chinese would close the door on. Which comes as a surprise to no one with more brains than bluster.
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Australopithecus, remember that the first partner in Jetatar HK was a Chinese company, and a very well connected one at that.
The application was seemingly objected by a HK based company, and another HK company was introduced as a shareholder to try and smooth things, but this does not appear to have worked to date. This is as much HK slapping China in the face as it is Australia |
It all sounded so positive back March 2012, just taking a bit longer than first thought, going by this rather optimistic press release. Hindsight is a wonderful thing...
Jetstar Hong Kong will combine the partners’ local knowledge, networks and successful low cost carrier model to service short haul routes in Asia, including Greater China, Japan, South Korea and South East Asia. It will be the first low fares airline based in Hong Kong. Subject to regulatory approval Jetstar Hong Kong services will start in 2013 with a fleet of three Airbus A320s, growing to 18 A320s by 2015. Jetstar Hong Kong is underpinned by a total maximum capitalisation of up to US$198 million. The shareholding percentage in Jetstar Hong Kong will be equally held by China Eastern Airlines and Qantas Group, which will be equal part ners in the Joint Venture. The maximum exposure for each partner is US$99 million over a three year period. http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/2012032...gblzv2ryz8.pdf |
My take is that the funds invested by Qantas were more than the mooted 99 million each. There was no disclosure from the Chinese partners about their funding sources, for example. I have heard it whispered that Qantas issued non-recourse loans to their Chinese partners to fund their share.
This latest revelation about China Southern loaning more cash to JQ HK leads me to cynically expect that that debt will be the senior secured debt. If Qantas escapes only losing its initial cash injection I will be amaaaaaaaazed. |
My take is that the funds invested by Qantas were more than the mooted 99 million each. There was no disclosure from the Chinese partners about their funding sources, for example. I have heard it whispered that Qantas issued non-recourse loans to their Chinese partners to fund their share. No doubt it was not these actual A320's, after all it's a three way partnership, but perhaps a "different" set of 7 were fully paid for by QF. Problem solved! |
Whilst we are figuring out the birthing difficulties with J* Hong Kong, Twitter has gone off regarding mum's birthplace all those years ago.. was it in Winton or Longreach? Away we go now.. :rolleyes:
#Awkward. Qantas and Virgin Australia in odd Twitter encounter LADIES and gentlemen, it’s time to buckle up and prepare for a mile-high Twitter fight. The claws are well and truly out between Qantas and Virgin Australia after the rivals did the unthinkable on Tuesday night; they actually acknowledged each other's presence on Twitter. #Awkward. Qantas and Virgin Australia in odd Twitter encounter | News.com.au |
All VA has to do now is file a flight plan Charleville to Cloncurry and its back to Shannon with you AJ LOL
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Australopithicus:
My take is that the funds invested by Qantas were more than the mooted 99 million each. There was no disclosure from the Chinese partners about their funding sources, for example. I have heard it whispered that Qantas issued non-recourse loans to their Chinese partners to fund their share. This latest revelation about China Southern loaning more cash to JQ HK leads me to cynically expect that that debt will be the senior secured debt. If Qantas escapes only losing its initial cash injection I will be amaaaaaaaazed. What really annoys me is the amount of wasted Board and management time and energy on a project that anyone with any experience of Asian trade knew was always a fools errand. |
I believe you are correct Sunfish, however, they will never let a crisis go to waste. Before the write-off, the financial high wire "crisis" act will be used to as a battering ram against the employees, as they have already begun to do.
Joyce will fall on his sword when it is announced, blame the previous management's flawed strategy & retire into the sunset to count his mere millions. |
I refuse to do Twatter or Bookface, so I can't/won't follow the story as it develops. But the documents that brought Qantas into existence were signed in the Gresham Hotel, Brisbane, on the 16th November 1920. So Brisbane has the most logical claim to be the birthplace of Qantas.
Sad that the modern Qantas media team don't know their own company's history, but not surprising. Methinks you'd better start a separate thread. This could get ugly. |
Let's not get started on the 'birthplace of aviation' claim......
Pretty sure aviation in Australia was 'born' neither in Longreach or Winton.... |
True. According to Wikipedia's page on Harry Houdini:
Wing Commander Harry Cobby wrote in Aircraft in March 1938 that "the first aeroplane flight in the Southern Hemisphere was made on December 9, 1909 by Mr Colin Defries, a Londoner, at Victoria Park Racecourse, Sydney, in a Wilbur Wright aeroplane". Colin Defries was a trained pilot, having learnt to fly in Cannes, France. By modern standards his flight time was minimal, but in 1909 he had accumulated enough to become an instructor. On his first flight he took off, maintained straight and level flight, albeit briefly, and landed safely. His crash landing on his second flight, when he tried to retrieve his hat which was blown off, demonstrated what a momentary lack of attention could cause while flying a Wright Model A. It is acknowledged by Australian historians[46] and the Aviation Historical Society of Australia that the definition of flight established by the Gorell Committee on behalf of the Aero Club of Great Britain dictates the acceptance of a flight or its rejection, giving Colin Defries credit as the first to make an aeroplane flight in Australia, and the Southern Hemisphere. In 1965 aviation journalist Stanley Brogden formed the view that the first powered flight in Australia took place at Bolivar in South Australia; the aircraft was a Bleriot monoplane with Fred Custance as the pilot. The flight took place on March 17, 1910. The next day when Houdini took to the air, the Herald newspaper reported Custance's flight, stating it had lasted 5 minutes 25 seconds at a height of between 12 and 15 feet. |
"Your wrong about the A380 of course, but as you are losing some of your flying I see you have adopted the normal course of action of QF mainline FAs in slagging off and lying about anything that doesnt meet your self interest.
Reminds me of the lies about the BKK FA basing (when it was running) and the ongoing slander you and your boiler mates indulge in with respect to the London Base Cabin Crew." You are right, we are losing the flying to DFW as it will be 380 flying. There are 12 380's. There are no new additions of the 380 to the fleet so where are the 380's coming from, maybe HKG flying and I guess these flights will now be non A380 planes. Guess who will be crewing them. Mohican, you seem to be very angry with cabin crew. Hope it wasn't that knock back from the Sydney hostie that is causing your animosity. I said that the 380 is a better plane 'from' DFW. It has first class plus it carries more j/c and w/c so can earn bucket loads more $$$ per seat. The 747 cannot operate DFW BNE with full economy load, usually 50 seats blocked out. Does anyone out there actually know if the 380 is weight restricted as well? Mohican, get over it! |
Will be interesting to see if the coming upheaval in Iraq and by association the Middle East starts to impact further on QF loads via Dubai....
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Will be interesting to see if the coming upheaval in Iraq and by association the Middle East starts to impact further on QF loads via Dubai.... |
Dont know about you, but I wouldn't fly to any Muslim country, even for transit. |
Ah, heartwarming to be reminded that Xenophobia is alive and well in our bogan nation. |
Who would fly to ANY country with civil conflict (no matter what the authorities say) if they didn't have to?
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The argument is irrelevant. Qantas had the longest history in the world of flying to Europe through Asia. It was safe, well known, viewed with affection and as a right of passage by the Australian public. 70 odd years and major world wars out with the bath water and in the same genius stroke why not alienate every single Eastern Suburbs resident of Sydney.
I will fly to Europe through Asia. Because, 1) I don't want to change 2) I Don't like gross bling and 3) I won't support an idiot and an idiots board. Religion and gross racism and sexism doesn't play any part in my decisions, but I can guarantee it would with some. There was NOTHING wrong with the status quo. |
Oops - entity confusion
Just to correct some glaring errors - it's China Eastern that is involved in Jetstar Hong Kong NOT China Southern.
Whilst the names might seem slightly confusing to parochial Australians - in China, this is the equivalent of confusing United with Delta, or British Airways with Air France. |
HIALS...thanks for the gratuitous assumption about my nature. Parochial I am not. Rather, disheartened to the point that the exact name of each of Joyce's puppets is irrelevant. So China Eastern then.
The rest if the narrative stands, but the exact identity of the eventual beneficiary of Joyce's incredible naiveté is less important than the fact of the failure. |
Gratuitous or Glaring
Dear hominid,
I didn't mean offence - however, it is a glaring error. China Southern is the fifth largest airline in the world. To confuse such a megalithic carrier with its arch rival, from a parochial point of view, is akin to stating that Virgin Australia owns Jetstar. It shows ignorance. I notice that you didn't graciously accept the 'ping' - which would have allowed the focus to remain on the narrative and preserved your credibility as genuine, if fallible. |
Does anyone out there actually know if the 380 is weight restricted as well? The 380 can launch at max weight from a 4000m runway, nil wind, 600ft amsl at Max weight up to about 38*C. |
Jetstar Japan slowing down aircraft deliveries
Meanwhile J* Japan
Japan slowing down aircraft deliveries The three new LCCs – Peach, Jetstar and Vanilla – carried 6% of traffic. While depressed from the AirAsia/Vanilla switch, it marks a start for the first carriers to eliminate all frills, unlike predecessors such as Skymark, which alone carried 7% of traffic. The adoption to LCCs in Japan is slow, and there were some early painful lessons, but growth is near-guaranteed. Jetstar Japan added nearly as many seats as JAL while Peach added nearly as many seats as ANA. Meanwhile ANA and JAL project long-term decreases in Japan's domestic market. Further, Jun-2014 sees the launch of Spring Airlines Japan with domestic flights and in the future international services, mainly to China. This is the first (but will not be the last) international JV for China's Spring Airlines. AirAsia is also looking to re-enter. However, five new LCCs plus three existing mean excessive market fragmentation. Although it may challenge the epithet that airlines never die in Japan, consolidation is in order. But more importantly, until prevailing legacy attitudes are redirected towards supporting economic expansion goals, LCCs will continue to labour under unnecessary handicaps. Jetstar Japan slowing down aircraft deliveries | CAPA - Centre for Aviation https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b...ta-610x205.jpg http://youtu.be/7t173zQi7J4 . |
TIMA9X
It's ALL about growth with regard to airframe numbers. And less about the profit of the airline. Recall that JQ Japan is owned by Qantas, Mitsubishi & Century Leasing. And the rumour for who leases aircraft to Jetstar Japan? Qantas, Mitsubishi & Century Leasing. |
Yeah I do. Yours is the typically ignorant mindset that causes so many problems |
nah thats the seppos
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Politicians, like business people, rarely claw above 60th spot, averaging 4.1 out of 10 on the trust score. This year, independent senator Nick Xenophon was deemed Australia's most trusted pollie in 68th spot. Former prime minister Kevin Rudd came in at 76 while Prime Minister Tony Abbott was 79th. Clive Palmer came in at 90 out of 100, one spot ahead of Rolf Harris. The nation's richest person, businesswoman Gina Rinehart came 93rd, ahead of Vatican insiderGeorge Pell, Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce, radio entertainer Kyle Sandilands, bookie Tom Waterhouse and businessman Geoffrey Edelsten. |
Dick Smith in the top 10. :eek: :ugh: :=
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Arnold E - so you won't fly via Indonesia, Malaysia or Singapore then?
(the Singapore flag has the muslim crescent & stars on it due to the large malay community ISTR) |
Singapore is 14% Muslim.
34% Buddhism, 18% Christian. Singapore - Pew-Templeton Global Religious Futures Project |
Why would you want to fly anywhere via Indonesia?
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