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ALAEA Fed Sec 13th Dec 2012 02:44


Just remember when I post on here there are always things I know that I cannot say.
For legal reasons. We get confidential briefings. My sentiments are always upfront.

QF94 13th Dec 2012 04:18

Fedsec, the below quote is from another thread Gregg, Dixon, Carnegie, Singo make a play on QF

http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...play-qf-6.html


Quote:
Like so many others are saying here, if these 'rebels' do wrest control from the current board it won't be at all good for the airline or its staff. Let's face it, if these people really had what it takes to make (& keep) an airline great, they would have done it by now. Don't agree. If Joyce and his sponsors stay, there will be no Qantas. They are sending it broke just like they did Ansett.

Dixon is Qantas. Joyce is Jetstar.
Going back to 28 November, you believe Dixon is QANTAS. Looks like you've sold out to "scrotum face". Your words not mine.

http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...play-qf-7.html


Quote:
Sorry Fed Sec, I normally agree with you but this time, I believe that you are wrong. Never, ever, it cannot be. Well maybe it can. Look I don't think Dixon should be near our airline but I am absolutely 100% certain that Joyce and Clifford should not be. They will kill it. Dixon may kill it.

Yes I too agree that much of the mess was created by old scrotum face in the first place. The ship was sinking when he slipped into a life raft. I do think Qantas can be saved though it just needs some airline people to run it.

Something needs to give.
Something just isn't right here. You say to look back at my posts and can pinpoint when I became a "company advocate." I can pinpoint exactly to 28 November, which appears, that you're jumping into bed with Dixon. If that's not an about face, I don't know what is.

I have never said anything against QANTAS. But I sure as hell have never shown any support to either the current or previous management.

You weren't too up front about this until you were drawn on it. Now I really am confused as to what's worse. The current management, or you guys getting into bed with a fierce opponent from the past. Either way does not bode well for QANTAS.


He's just like a Collingwood supporter who decided to switch to Carlton. His support for either team from that point on is irrelevant.
Who do you support now? Collingwood or Carlton?

Acute Instinct 13th Dec 2012 06:43

On the black sheep bleets.....
 
As your aggression builds to justify your moral bankruptcy, your insecurities fail you.
A simple message. The glue that joins us. Something worth getting high on......

Selfish and Selfless people (quotes and pictures) - YouTube


Says it all really. I'm out of ryhmes, and out reasons. You got me......


KR747

QF94 13th Dec 2012 06:53


As your aggression builds to justify your moral bankruptcy, your insecurities fail you.
A simple message. The glue that joins us. Something worth getting high on......
You're more whacked out than I first thought. Better you stay with your glue and bonding, and stay high. You're out of the way then. :E

Arnold E 13th Dec 2012 07:58


QF94
Jeez my back is getting sore, do you mind getting off for at least a short period of time??

AEROMEDIC 13th Dec 2012 08:08

QF94,


I wish no bad upon anybody. Everyone has an opinion, and is entitled to it. Last I recall, this is a free country with freedom of speech. Let's live by that, or is it only free if you're compliant with the popular majority?
Your comments and criticisms conflict with the above statement of yours.


Acute Instinct, step away from the glue vapours. You're addicted. Do you know any other nursery rhymes? Or you haven't gotten that far yet?
Pretty unfair I would say.

If you want to be taken seriously, then be nicer if someone disagrees with you.
I agree with your sentiments on Dixon though.

Dixon and co. or ANY consortium with enough cash to make change in Qantas are free to do exactly that. WHAT changes they make is really the issue.

Most fair minded people would adjudge that Joyce and the board should go.

Who should replace them?

What credentials must they have?

What direction should they take the company and how should this be done?

Is it too late?

So many questions and so few people from which to choose in the corporate world to run this show.
Dixon was hopelessly compromised in carrying out his fiduciary duty during the proposed takeover and should not get a guernsey for this one.

So who and why?

....and a word in defence of the ALAEA fed sec.

He's at least attempting to DO something even if some things are beyond him.
I for one would be encouraging this from he, and anybody, as long as there is hope that Qantas employees can have their lot improved.

If YOU or anybody else can offer constructive ideas or positive suggestions, I'm sure no one is going to belittle you or others for having done so.

Such is not fanciful because I have been part of and influenced change for the better in an organisation at a time when it did not seem possible.

You never stop trying.

mahatmacoat 13th Dec 2012 08:54

That qf94 really is a very bad person. You are making lies about Steve he did not say he supports Dixon he just makes it clear that Dixon would be better than Joyce. If I may I can ask you qf94 what option you would be prefering. I ask this because they are the two likely scenarios facing us.

1. Alan Joyce CEO. dismantling maintenance. no new International craft on order. Hands services and routes to EK. Wants to open new Asian airlines with qf equity. Is a greedy liar.

2. Geoff Dixon. will sell Jetstar. invest in Qantas International. Will scrap EK alliance. Will cease new fantasy Asian airlines. Is a greedy liar.

I pick 2. You clearly pick 1 because you are a 380 glory boy who will do anything to make the system work. Please go away we are sick of your bullhsit.

rtv 13th Dec 2012 11:37

Pm me if anyone knows who qf94 is ... We should have a chat

Angle of Attack 13th Dec 2012 11:57

QF94 is obviously a longhaul captain/F/O , that is fairly clear, but you and i should not care about this fly, this is an engineers related thread and the fate of the company is not our worry, just the engineers fair go, and i believe Steve is doing a good job under the circumstances, hell if we were paid to worry about the companies future then we would be senior execs right? Errr maybe not i forgot about KPI'S......:sad:

empire4 13th Dec 2012 12:40

Mahatmacoat, do you seriously think GD is going to do that. HE is no way an option. He tried to shaft you all already and you are only there because he stuffed up. now he's aiming to come back and finish what he started. You have to wake up. GD and AJ are 2 peas from the same pod.

NOTHING ANY OF YOU DO WILL CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

@ RTV.......Really, you want to know who he is. Why are you using an alias then? Because you don't like his opinion you want to persecute him at work.......Get over yourself tough boy.

qf 1 13th Dec 2012 18:39

RTV you need to take a Bex and go have a lie down

1746 13th Dec 2012 20:10

Let's keep it on the topic guys otherwise this thread will be closed!
Ignore the trolls and concentrate on managements' next phase of destroying QANTAS Engineering!!
United we may stand, divided we will all fall!

ALAEA Fed Sec 13th Dec 2012 21:18


Let's keep it on the topic guys
Correct you are. We will be running meetings in Syd next week in the smoko rooms at various times. This thread is about questions you have. I guess if you ask them to me here, I can answer as best I can but also I can use the questions as a basis for the meetings.

cheers

the_company_spy 14th Dec 2012 02:51

Fedsec there is a rumour going around that you guys have pushed the company hard for "last on first off"

Is this true?

ALAEA Fed Sec 14th Dec 2012 02:55


Fedsec there is a rumour going around that you guys have pushed the company hard for "last on first off"

Is this true?


Yes it is. Prefered by members as opposed to interviews. Required by EBA. Company want it to compose 1% of your total score. ALAEA want it to be 99%. Not settled yet but it will definately make up part of the decision but not all.

Company want other things that we find highly offensive such as an OHS Rep getting as many points for holding that position as a person would get for holding a 767 licence.

the_company_spy 14th Dec 2012 03:16

What about someone with 20 yrs service but only 1 yr experience as a lame, as opposed to someone with 18 yrs service but with 10 yrs experience as a lame? Are you going to push for straight out years of service?

rtv 14th Dec 2012 04:11

Company spy ... Mate have a look at the award , it's time in the company.

going postal 14th Dec 2012 05:03

FED SEC...
1.... Does the company want everyone to interview for a chance to stay?
2 Where is the company at with VR EOI from LMO?

opalops 14th Dec 2012 05:37

Does the company want everyone to interview for a chance to stay



They did when they closed HM Sydney: It was a load of ****e they new who they wanted. And in the end They picked who they wanted, and some of the people that did not get an offer,Some really outstanding engineers in my opinion just walked out the door, but most are doing extremely well.
Talk to them today and the say it was the best decision they made.

Last on first off: There was talk about that too on the closing of HM Sydney
Load of ****e too it wasn't the case at all, well back then anyway

rtv 14th Dec 2012 06:11

Steve could u tell us what part of the EBA it talks about interviews ? I cannot seem to see that , haha though I cannot find my glasses .


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