the company spy
"The court of public opinion with your fellow LAMEs." In reality, the opinion of anyone, either in cyberspace or reality is of no consequence to me. What, they're going to call me a "scab"? A company person? One who turns on his own?

QANTAS, and companies like it are snakepits. Everyone are mates until the culling starts, then it's each for themselves, until it's the last one standing. I'm not so blind that there are guys who are going to stand by me if it comes down to me or them. The ALAEA can do nothing. The numbers have been confirmed, it's just a formality as to who are chosen to go. No thanks for the O/T. No thanks for being efficient and putting the company first. Nothing. Just a payout and on your way.

There is no opinion I am answerable to either here or amongst my peers.

Just worry about those that are doing the REAL damage. The one's you normally have to answer to.

I am all too aware of that but please forgive me if I fail to help sharpen the knife!

And why wouldn't it?

Then in your eyes I am hypocritical. In my eyes you are narcissistic. The thing is neither of us cares in the slightest what each other thinks so this whole discussion is futile.

Despite our differences of opinion QF94, I do sincerely wish you and your family a happy Christmas and a joyous New Year!

@imperial shifter

You obviously didn't do the "Washing and Cooking 2012" eQ course did you?? :p

This is exactly what the company wants to happen, why else would they ban OT and reschedule at the drop of a hat a few months ago. Now it has been open slather once more as they schedule training stupidly, composite crews with no licence coverage, the list goes on.

In the weeks before the announcement the OT desperates were having to go to Domestic for their OT. If you are relying on OT to survive now boy are you in for a shock when you have nothing!

Now they have the pleb infighting and it in turn is creating a less efficient workforce, they want SAM to fail, 30% now and another cull in 3 months RP, let it slip at a Cabo meeting.

Their train set is being set up for a big accident.

Oh me, oh my, they roll in their graves......
 

You will all know to whom I address,

Thank god our sacred country is not being invaded by enemy forces. Our fore fathers had some very simple rhymes and reasons. They weeded out the selfish, the shallow, the weak and pitiful. Because on the front line, its all for one, and one for all.
You continue to push forward with you gutless selfish reasoning. You continue to expose your insecurities through your aggression. I almost feel as though I know you intimately. For all those facing an uncertain future, listen to the words of such parasitical beings. Hear them with your gut. You don't have to look far. They are the black sheep.........

KR747

Since this next cull in 3 months is no secret does anyone know what it entails.
Fed Sec do you have any more info of the next blood letting?

If it is the case, then it would seem that this first cull of 200 wont be over when the next round is announced.
I know of people who have put their hand up for this round but have asked to stay until the end of June.

Inducement.......
 

Baah Baah, Black sheep......

You have bleeted on and on, for days now.
Post after post you have induced, antagonised, beckoned, and pleaded for somebody, just one body, to impune themselves. To utter the words. And you have failed.....
Not because of the wile and cunning of those you wish to trap, but because it is simply a matter of conscience. It lives inside of you and all around you. Can you look a man in the eye?
Perhaps its all a figment of your imagination......

KR747

Nothing official but lots of reports coming in about managers saying things and trainers preparing. Numbers will be cut by 75% by the time they are finished unless you stand together. Standing together does not mean

Not only is this a selfish attitude, it is encouraging others to be selfish. Read this guys earlier posts and you can just about pin point the time he became a company advocate. He's just like a Collingwood supporter who decided to switch to Carlton. His support for either team from that point on is irrelevant.

Company will allow you to stay until the end of June if you like, you would stop working earlier but be allowed to take leave to reach milestone dates.

I saw an earlier post as well that makes the assumption that overtime is cheaper. It's not. You can do the sums. wages x 200% versus wages plus 10% super plus maybe 30% for A/L LSL. Then you look at a bit of downtime (maybe 20%) for the full timer. The extra staff member is cheaper or if the company can't plan rosters break even.

At least I will bloody well try. There is no thing with O/T. People just need to be aware that it does cost jobs, be reasonable and don't hog it. We have a case in Fed Court to stop some of this stuff. Also about 40 active complaints in with CASA for breaches of company policy due to short staffing and poorly planned new procedures. Any other tips to make me look like a man of action would be welcome.

We will run some meetings next week to explain it. Nothing set in stone yet. Qantas presented some diagram allocating points for all sorts of things like licences, if you are OHS Rep, mxi trained and time with company. It will be a mix of a host of abilities/quals. We haven't agreed to anything. They have 380 licences weighted far higher than 744 and other Boeings if it helps. Not sure if that will change.

This is crap guys. They haven't even confirmed any numbers because what they have put out doesn't even match their existing workforce figures. Nothing is foregone if you stick together.

@QF94
You are so correct in what you are saying. I left QF 7 years ago and you look back and realise how much that place is a lazy mans gravy train. Sure you can earn more $$$ elsewhere but you work way more, sure you can get more training elsewhere but you pay for it like doing 14 transits in a 12 hour shift. Go to GA and see how much you get paid and what dodgy sign offs you'll do. Then if you complain find out what happens.

Go to Asia or the Middle East and see what happens. One QF guy from Brisbane went to Etihad,he was given a 777 course and his repayment was refusing to do OT. He was given a one way ticket a few weeks later.

QF engineering is a massive snake pit. Not one person there will stand next to you whilst the gun is aimed. I have been there.

My advice is for everyone to stop fighting, realise you have NO power but to look after yourself with OT, training and try give yourself every advantage over the guy sitting next to you at your next job interview. The only way to make these idiots understand it will fail is to walk away, which I know no one has the balls to do.

1me
Thanks for the sentiment and the same to you and all those I have differences with (for those that think I'm sucking up, you're badly mistaken).

I wish no bad upon anybody. Everyone has an opinion, and is entitled to it. Last I recall, this is a free country with freedom of speech. Let's live by that, or is it only free if you're compliant with the popular majority?

Fedsec
Encouraging others to be selfish? I thought people would be mature enough to make their own decisions. If you've read my posts, I'm not telling anyone to do anything.

As for being a company advocate, you're correct in the sense about the company, NOT the management and what they're doing. There is a difference.

I'm not an AFL person, so your sarcasm is lost on me. I follow league, and have only ever followed one team, win, lose or draw.

Maybe this is another ploy from management. We have been told directly, the numbers, and the process the management now have to go through to make up the criteria for the unfilled VR positions. They tell us one thing, and you another.

Fedsec, with all due respect, you failed to stop the shutdown of MELHM, AVV, and redundancies over the last few years across the company. The saying "You won't get me I'm part of the union" died a long time ago. You seem to be still running on the vapours of the 2008 "win".

October 2011 changed the ballgame forever.

Acute Instinct, step away from the glue vapours. You're addicted. Do you know any other nursery rhymes? Or you haven't gotten that far yet?

ALAEA backs Dixon as saviour for QANTAS!
 

Fedsec, this one is for you:

The World Today - Aircraft engineers take sides in the Qantas dispute 29/11/2012

Here you are bleeting about standing as one, but you're willing to back this creep back into QANTAS! What's in it for you? You have lost me on this one. "If he dosen't sell off all the assets" and so on. What the hell was he trying to do back in 2007? He brought in the A380. He broke off ties with Asian carriers, in particular SIA.

Anyone who can say Dixon would be a saviour to QANTAS has lost the plot. He almost sold the company and it wouldn't be here today. Dixon led the company for eight years and trashed the brand to no end. You were always squealing he should pay more to staff when record profits were being made, and now you think he's good for the company. I guess if someone says all the right things, they must be good. This is the height of stupidity!

If he gets in, that is QANTAS finished once and for all. Maybe you should read your previous posts. Maybe you're the one who changes footy sides.
It looks like your support for the current situation is now irrelevant and redundant as your allegiance is to the one who started this whole mess. Your job will still be intact when 204 have gone from SYD.

Just in case you feel I'm an advocate for the current regime, I am making this point very clear, the whole board needs to be replaced, but not with Dixon, Singleton, Gregg, Jerry Harvey and Carnegie and maybe a seat or two from the ALAEA.

Your actions and words are backing the current Board. Read my words.

The airline will be destroyed under Clifford and Joyce.

Do you know what the word "if" means? Now take a look at what I said about Dixon -

I am sure your undying support for your current managers has not gone unnoticed.

I don't know what language you're reading my posts in, but under no circumstances do I have any support for this current management. I have stated all along that the board needs to be changed, and the company is in a very poor state of repair. It is all but destroyed.

Now who's on the path of justification for bringing back a creep who walked out with $11million for an unfinished contract.

I have read your words. More than the ones you have quoted. "IF". We're talking about Dixon here. IF he didn't buy the A380. IF he bought the 777's. IF he didn't upset the Singaporeans so much. IF he actually succeeded in selling QANTAS. IF he selected Borghetti and not the current clown.

I'm sure your newfound support for the previous management will not go unnoticed either. But you'll have your cheer squad cheering for every word you utter. That's fine. QANTAS cannot win with this current regime, or the one you now have support for.

QANTAS is well and truly stuffed, and with the support of the ALAEA.

QF94 , Fed sec's "support" is highly qualified not absolute.I don't think he could be more up front or explain more simply.

As to how Dixon and co. could be held to any commitment , that would be for another day.

Faced with the current choice I too would support Dixon IF it meant a change of direction for the betterment of the main line and its employees.

Sometimes your enemy's enemy is your friend.

Dixon is a pragmatist and if he must negotiate with his former union foes he will do it to get a deal done. That pragmatism needs to come from both sides.

I agree with some of the QF94's sentiment. Whilst I support Fed Sec as the leader of our union and trust what he says I think if Dixon and his mates get in it will be a case of "out of the frying pan and into the fire"!

Dixon hates us almost as much as Joyce does. He fought us tooth and nail in 2008 and nearly destroyed the company with the failed APA PE bid. He is no saviour, merely a seagull looking to score a few hot chips at the beach!

If Dixon wants support he too must compromise. Simple as that.

Never fear our new management team is on the way to save us :ok:


Geese jogging down the road (Original) - YouTube

I don't disagree with this either. I would rather JB run our National carrier.

I don't want Dixon to run it but if it is a chioce between the current Execs or him, he wins by a short half head. Anyone, I mean even Jeff Kennett, would be better than Joyce and Clifford. Who knows, maybe even our resident Aviation expert GT would be better.

Just remember when I post on here there are always things I know that I cannot say.

Fedsec, letting Dixon in will be the end for QANTAS as we know it. He started Jetstar. It would be like letting a paedophile be in charge of the day care centre.

You're relying on too many "IFs" to justify the creep back into QANTAS. Hell, I'd rather Emirates take us over 100% than let Dixon and cronies back in.

It's OK for you to put your support behind Dixon. You keep your job regardless, and maybe even get a bonus. Or is this an ALAEA v AWU contest to see who gets into QANTAS first depending on who supports who.

You may as well let Gillard and Swan run QANTAS. They've stuffed this nation. Dixon is good mates with Ferguson. I guess that's why he still has his job at Tourism Australia.

There is absolutely no justification to allow Dixon and co back into QANTAS. Regardless of what you can or can't say.

You think he's going to forget the torrid time he was given by Fedsec back in 2008? This is business, and Dixon and co look after only one thing. Dixon and co. As much as I hate to say it, Dixon is too smart to make a deal that binds him to do good by others. He didn't get to where he is by "compromising".

The true colours are finally coming out. Throw the O/T red herring for all the sea gulls to chase after, whilst throwing your support for an ex-CEO that created what we have today. Some people have very short memories.

ampclamp
Fedsec
There you go amclamp.