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Ngineer 8th Dec 2012 05:22


Why don't you all give four weeks notice and see who breaks first!
You wouldn't be a pilot, would you?

Gas Bags 8th Dec 2012 06:30


Fed sec,

If AME recruitment for BNE goes ahead, can you check that the LAME/AME ratios will be compliant BEFORE the recruitment is completed?

It's a much harder exercise after the event if history is a guide.
Is there really any legislated ratio of AME's to LAME's. I for one have never seen this in writing anywhere, however have heard it verbally quoted many times over the years by many different people. Those verbals can never actually tell the supposed ratio, and it is always 'they' told me about it when I have asked where the info comes from.

I am genuinely interested if anybody out there can direct me to anywhere that officially captures this elusive ratio...What is 'compliant' and in 'compliance' with what?

ALAEA Fed Sec 8th Dec 2012 06:52


If AME recruitment for BNE goes ahead, can you check that the LAME/AME ratios will be compliant BEFORE the recruitment is completed?
In case you missed it, CASA is run by Qantas. Qantas can do as they please. There is a Dutch manager with a Texan mate who would have 20 AMEs per LAME. Unfortunately there are also a large number of LAMEs who sign for work unsighted.

Your future is in your own hands.

unionist1974 8th Dec 2012 06:53

Where is the Great Leader/ has anyone heard from him ? Masked Goatrider were are you?

Gas Bags 8th Dec 2012 07:28

Hi Steve,

Can you answer my question above???

Dont get me wrong, if I had my way it would be 100% licenced personnel. There is no safer way than that.

Thanks.

ohallen 8th Dec 2012 08:29

If LAMES are signing work unsighted, that should make for an interesting court case when the ****e hits the fan.

Do these guys have any concept of personal liability,? They certainly wont be backed by the Rat if they are called into a coroners court and as well as the prospect of prison time, they would also be liable civilly, so there goes the house and any assets.

Good luck guys, you just better hope that nothing goes wrong.

ALAEA Fed Sec 8th Dec 2012 08:30


Can you answer my question above???
Sorry I can be a little more direct in the answer.


If AME recruitment for BNE goes ahead, can you check that the LAME/AME ratios will be compliant BEFORE the recruitment is completed?
Yes. In fact I can check now. They are compliant. This is because there is no set ratio stiplulated in CARs or any other document. It is up to CASA's discretion whether they are satisified with the LAME/AME ratio. For the next bit please refer to my last answer.

AEROMEDIC 8th Dec 2012 12:03

Fed sec,
Perhaps this is the moment for a reminder to all licensed members of the ALAEA of their responsibilities and liabilities when something gets wrong.

Not all LAME's are thinking forward when under pressure to sign off work that they have yet to check. The pushing by management to complete the paperwork as the scheduled departure time is approaching may be more than someLAME's are able to bear.

A worthy occasion at this point of proceedings for such a timely reminder, wouldn't you think?'

evolved 8th Dec 2012 21:09

Whats the chances of these AME's ever getting a licence or even having a job after 12 months?

ALAEA Fed Sec 8th Dec 2012 23:14

None if LAMEs keep signing their work from a desk.

buggerme 9th Dec 2012 06:51

The problem is that there are too many leading/ acting leading hands that are pushing their crews too hard to achieve what the company wants no matter what, so they look good [in their opinion] they can safeguard their jobs. Don't they realise that they can be on the hit list, whether it be just now or six months down the track, unfortunately they are very shortsighted as if they don't fit into the long term plans they will be gone just like the rest of us.

Acute Instinct 9th Dec 2012 06:51

Unsighted negligence......
 
In this clip consider the cars to be planes and its Promotional Highway 66. The carrot is a nice warm cup of coffee with your master on the other side. Except its all one huge optical illusion, as he's not running across the road at all. He's not even there. In actual fact, he has just sent 300 unwitting persons across instead, whilst he is already back scratching at the masters door. Guess who the boss in the hat is? Sad really.......

Bowfinger (5/10) Movie CLIP - Crossing the Freeway (1999) HD - YouTube

KR747

Arnold E 9th Dec 2012 07:09


Whats the chances of these AME's ever getting a licence or even having a job after 12 months?
Are you saying, even if you have a course credit that you cant get a licence??

QF94 9th Dec 2012 07:26


Are you saying, even if you have a course credit that you cant get a licence??
You can get the licence alright, but if you've done an external type course and get your CASA licence, QANTAS are not obliged to pay you for that licence or make you a LAME if it's your first type. If you're not on the QANTAS eQ system, you don't get paid for that type.

Been happening for years, and NOBODY can do anything about it.

Acute Instinct 9th Dec 2012 07:39

Leaders and their charges....
 
BuggerMe,

Here is one just for you.....

KR747

CNN Distraction: Family of ducks tries to cross highway - YouTube

Bootstrap1 9th Dec 2012 10:18

QF94 even if you do external training for a 2nd or 3rd type it is at the managers discretion whether you get it on the system or not. That has always been the way.

There are still guys in Sydney doing external training, but I think it throwing away good money. Unless they are doing it with the intention of going overseas it is truly a waste of money and leave.

AEROMEDIC 9th Dec 2012 11:46


There are still guys in Sydney doing external training, but I think it throwing away good money. Unless they are doing it with the intention of going overseas it is truly a waste of money and leave.
It's always good to have the course credit, and the licence. An opportunity will arise. Even if it takes along time, it always will.

You can change employer in time if you need to, and obviously not right now unless you have certainty of a job.

Put it this way, if you can afford it, it's better to have it that not.

whatdouknow 9th Dec 2012 19:30

Even if you do a company course and get a promise... It CAN still not mean approval at the end. As for going overseas, isn't the CASA licence worthless under EASA??

QF94 10th Dec 2012 02:10


As for going overseas, isn't the CASA licence worthless under EASA??
It may put you in a better position to get a company approval overseas.

QF22 10th Dec 2012 03:07

CASA AMEL
 
The CASA AMEL is still quite acceptable in Asia and possibly the ME.
GLTA !


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