And a Qantas manager not too far away ready to do a deal?

Methinks we will be seeing outfits like this picking up the HM slack and maybe some of our own LM work.

Any news (rumours) on the HM announcement?

Judging by the website, already active in MRTT, Virgin, defense. Director ex HM ohs rep (QF?) and structures credentialed. R.Pe--ival office Caboolture QLD

The pictures on there web site could have come from any where on the net means nothing in reality.
Beware if you submit your details as they have sent out e mails before Cc to every address in there address book great if you did not want others to know you were looking.:mad:

Readjustment of Power
 

The Corporate Media’s Attempt to Kill the Occupy Movement

• by Truthout
• May 9, 2012
• 7:30 pm

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Written by Michael Corcoran and Stephen Maher
This May Day brought the explosive global resurgence of Occupy, one of the most significant social movement in decades. In New York City, the heart of global capitalism and center of the movement, the New York Civil Liberties Union estimated that 30,000 demonstrators took part in a massive rally and march down Broadway, led by a score of city taxicabs. As has become alarmingly common for a country that constantly proclaims its zealous devotion to democracy, the day ended with brutal police violence and arrests.
The visible success of Occupy in creating a space for the voice of the people impelled uncontrolled thousands to pour onto the streets of New York City, Oakland, and elsewhere around the country and across the world on May Day, in the start of what US organizers have called an “American Spring.” Touting its message of class solidarity–”we are the 99 percent” – Occupy has revealed the profoundly undemocratic nature of a democratic consensus expressed by corporate-sponsored political representatives, demanding direct popular involvement in areas of social and political life normally dominated by ruling class power.
The powerful rejuvenation of the Occupy movement, however, was used by the US media – owned by the very same interests that Occupy directly threatens – as an opportunity to finally kill the Occupy movement and marginalize the voices of its participants. Since September, the mainstream press in the US has systematically ignored and demonized the Occupy movement. The nakedness of the class bias in this case, however, was especially jarring: the size and significance of the protests were downplayed, reports of police brutality were largely ignored, and the movement was portrayed as violent and dangerous. Many of the most prominent US news outlets, such as The New York Times, practically ignored the protests altogether. These shameful distortions by the corporate press display the function of the media as an organ of the rule of “the 1 percent,” and reveal how threatened elites are by organized, direct action and democratic participation.
While tens of thousands of activists took to the streets on May Day, the only prominent mention of economic inequality on the homepage of The New York Times web site was titled “A Wealthy Guy’s Case for Inequality,” written by a former associate of Mitt Romney at Bain Capital. The Times, in fact, did not even cover the protests as a national story, instead merely producing a brief and dismissive 400-word article buried in the “Paper of Record’s” Metro section. Predictably, the article focused mostly on the wickedness of the demonstrators, who “snarled traffic and smashed windows.” The Times did see fit to cover May Day protests in Europe in its international section, but here, too, no connection was made to protests of a nearly identical nature and size at home. In other words, since “the march was too big to allow Occupy Wall Street to continue to be reduced to a dog-and-pony show,” as Occupy Handbook editor Janet Byrne said, the Times simply chose to ignore it altogether.
The Washington Post adopted a similar approach, producing just one short story, also exiled to the local section, which likewise took great pains to amplify claims of “reports of violent clashes on the West Coast.” It is telling that while these major national papers were outraged by some broken windows, they ignored the thuggish attacks by the police on both coasts on peacefully assembled human beings.
The Tea Party, a movement which serves rather than threatens corporate interests, has received front-page coverage in virtually all of the nation’s national newspapers for events that were smaller and less significant than this week’s May Day protests. Yet, a truly substantial social movement with genuine emancipatory potential and a broad base of support among Americans is largely considered un-newsworthy by the corporate press. When the demonstrations were covered, crude caricatures masquerading as objective news ruled the day.
Those outlets that bothered to note the nationwide outpouring at all did so mostly to exaggerate reports of vandalism in Seattle (described as acts of “violence” in the mainstream press), portraying a peaceful movement as chaotic and violent. Other examples of May Day coverage had stories gleefully predicting the demise of the Occupy movement. “Occupy Resurgence is a Dud,” announced a Reuters video report that came out early on Tuesday. Occupy, the report declared, “did not have any movement left,” and “lacks one clear message everyday Americans can rally behind.” Interestingly, a tweet from Reuters would later discredit their own report, reporting, “Occupy Wall Street resurgence far from being a dud.” CNN.com, likewise, published an article that labored to explain “Why Occupy May Day fizzled.” The article proclaimed, “Occupy Wall Street movement, with its fuzzy messages and vague goals, is not going to leave a major mark.” The author did not bother to explain how “We are the 99 percent” is a “fuzzy message.”
May Day has long been known in the United States as the working-class holiday which the state refuses to recognize. This May Day, too, President Obama issued a pro forma injunction that we honor “Loyalty Day” by hanging the flag or pledging allegiance to the republic for which it stands. But what might be unexpected by those who take the professed values of that republic seriously is the degree to which our “free press” has followed suit – not to mention the state’s brutally violent response to a genuinely democratic, popular movement seeking to build a more egalitarian, participatory society.
Occupy is arguably at its most critical juncture since the eviction of Zuccotti Park and the effort by the media to portray Occupy as a toothless shell of its former self is not without potential consequences. It is vital that it be understood that the media are not any more neutral in the war being fought on the streets of our cities than are the corporations that own it. Occupiers can expect no favors from the American media, which will continue to serve their corporate owners and not the public at large. This means that the occupiers must expect to struggle mightily for their view of the world – and even their very presence – to break into mainstream political discourse. The narrative that “Occupy is dead” is merely the latest salvo by the 1 percent. We must not let them get away with it.
This post was originally published by Truthout.

cat-with a red hot -up -the you know what
 

WTF is this ....what are you on....get back to the thread there is a real threat to the "core"work that qf does and these companies are popping up asking who is interested in working for them .....now make no bones about it in the future this is what you will be working for, there will be no Qantas Engineering only a shell company working for Qantas same with all other divisions of Qf ....what can we do about it.....NOTHING unfortunally this is the way they are "moving forward"if you think holding mass meetings holding hands and singing will stop them,well you should be off in the loony bin .......The Rim

cat -with a-hot-something
 

hey rim i agree sitting around singing kum-ba-yah or what ever it is will achieve nothing we are going to be f&&ked over ....bring it on and see whats going to happen because telling the company what is down the road for them is no good as the managers that are in place now wont be there latter.....we all know what they are trying to do to Qantas and the likes of us will not stop it....even the goverment is behind it

WTF
 

Is there any genuine reason for the delay in making the announcement re HM or is it just the narcissistic B******S making every one squirm some more.\
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The slow bake goes on no news this really is bultish:mad::mad:

Decision was supposed to be announced today.............

Maybe the idiots in management are waiting on the JHAS announcement???

Maybe the JHAS and QE announcements are related in content together? They need to speak "from the same page" if so.

Decision imminent
 

Lord Falkland's Rule:

When it is not nessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision.

Senior Management too incompetent to make announcement themselves.....will pay consultancy firm megabucks to do it instead maybe??

The problem in management who will make the decision,they must be deliberating

From Geoffrey Thomas Aviation Editor May 16, 2012, 6:33 am
 

or let GT have the scoop?

May 16, 2012, 6:33 am

700 Qantas engineers to go - The West Australian
Geoffrey Thomas Aviation Editor, The West Australian

Avalon delivers final pitch to Qantas
 

When did Avalon Airport Chief executive Justin Giddings decide that he should negotiate on behalf of Qantas and Forstaff employees they don,t even work for him or the company he represents Linfox.:ugh::mad:
Avalon delivers final pitch to Qantas | Geelong, VIC, Australia

I would imagine a pitch from Linfox would include some cuts to the price for use of the facility. I don't think he would have been talking about the workforce.

It has been brought up in some sense. Qantas have continually told us a 380 hangar is out of the question because it would cost $105m for one bay and $175m for two.

We got quotes to show they would be $27m and $33m respectively built at Avalon. I don't know but maybe Linfox have said they will build them and give Qf free leasing for 10 years.

Avalon delivers final pitch to Qantas | Geelong, VIC, Australia


Spokesman Luke Enright said yesterday the airline remained on track to make an announcement during the next week.
Mr Giddings said the State Government had been active during the negotiations.
"As I understand it, though, what they've done for us they've done for Tullamarine," he said.
Qantas workers remained in the dark yesterday on the likely timing of a Qantas announcement.


ST

"As I understand it, though, what they've done for us they've done for Tullamarine," he said.
That could mean Nothing :ugh:

If qantas wants to get rid of engineers,they at least should provide training on other aircraft types so that if these guys want to apply jobs in jetstar or virgin or even wants to get a job in emirates they would be happy to leave.i hope alaea would pressure the government and qantas to provide training on other aircraft types,as there are guys coming to Australia on 457 visa because they got a380 and 330 and getting jobs here.

@Bagus

You're dreaming. QANTAS is hard-pressed to train anyone they want to keep, let alone train people that they're going to get rid of. Why would they spend money on those they want to get rid of and give the other carriers or organisations a free goal?

All in all, QANTAS of late has been loathe to train anyone, except out of sheer necessity. QANTAS have a heap of A340 and 777 trained guys that used to certify customer aircraft once upon a time. There is no need to train anyone else.

Wednesday 23rd is the date scheduled for the announcement now......that is until those incompetent fools postpone it again.

Put your faith in Steve and the Alea! He is the messiah

Unions are destroying Australian businesses. No offense Steve, but seriously the it is all going to collapse.

The sooner we get rid of all those bloody workers by outsourcing all their work overseas or replacing them with casuals on 457 visas the better hey empire4.

I'm sure there'll be plenty of management jobs for your kids too mate.

Crawl back under your rock.

Name 5 that have been destroyed by unions and explain how they did it. If you cant, or, wont do that, then you are just engaging in good old union bashing.

I'd bet more businesses have been stripped/ sent broke/ dismantled/ run down by brainless / selfish/ inept / corrupt business leaders than unions. Or a combo of said characteristics. Unions have caused trouble in the past but to suggest it is still a big problem is ridiculous.

Was that just a building and doors for that price? That seems rather cheap for a shed, docking, gear pits etc. I would suggest the qantas quote included those plus GSE, tooling, phones, computers and most of the stuff required to make a major maintenance check happen.

Fairly safe bet that, especially in Aviation, Ansett and Southern Cross perfect examples. :(:(:(

Heard Lindsay Fox talking about his business Australia wide and Asia on Melbourne radio on Friday and there is no way he will be funding that let alone free leasing it .
Aint going to happen.

Jet-A-one, If you have read any of my previous posts you would know I'm a big advocate of eliminating 457 visas and outsourcing in general. It will be even more important now that QF will put about 600 people in our industry out of a job.

I have been very critical in the past about the ALAEA not pursuing the Government to remove or not allow foreign Engineers here. I have been told this is too hard and they can not control the skills shortage list.

It disturbs me that a place like JHAS will pay European people to relocate, pay the license conversion and have them not signing for months rather than train a local. Unfortunately this seems to be on the lower side of any unions priorities.

See for yourself, page 3 and has been there for years. http://www.deewr.gov.au/Employment/LMI/SkillShortages/Documents/SSL_AUS.pdf

Now whilst I disagree with what QF are doing, you have to step outside and see that old legacy airline work practices such as 2 man push backs (some stations), Radio LAME's and Avionic LAME's sitting in the crew room etc are not efficient. You are after all competing with airlines such as Singapore and Emirates. I do agree with such things as having a LAME at every A/C transit. Safety cannot be compromised and this is something that Joyce doesn't get.

The unions objective is to get you better T&C's......Right? So, If you get more money and the company wants you to do more, does this mean those T&C's have improved? Maybe not. It definitely means nothing but extra cost for the company if QF have old, outdated and inefficient practices in everyday operations which are not eliminated. Australia's non-skilled work force is far too over paid, which then in turn drives prices up, skilled wages up and hurts local business. Most Australian Unions represent non-skilled to low skilled workers. How do these things benefit a company trying to make money?

If you are off the belief that the union is looking after YOUR best interests, then you are greatly misguided and I hope you see the light soon. The very fact that the ALAEA represents AME's and other tradies at AVALON is enough for you to work this out. Massive conflict in interest.

The flying public thinks that qantas outsource only 10% maintenance jobs offshore ,they don't realize that jetstar is part of qantas group and they outsource 90% offshore,what a con job created by Joyce.

empire4, I have read some of your posts and I agree with a lot (certainly not ALL) of what you say. In fact I am quite surprised in your opinion of the ALAEA. (your opinion of other unions I couldn't give a sh1t about)

Let me assure you I have absolute faith in those that run the ALAEA, as do all members I know. There are plenty of reasons we have the coverage we do across our profession Australia wide.

You are intitled to your opinion but I think it is you that is "misguided" mate.

Qantas will, in 5 years time, outsource

All A380 heavy maintenance
All B787 heavy maintenance
All B737 OR A330 heavy maintenance
All engine overhaul
All component overhaul

Jetstar will outsource most of its A320 heavy maintenance if the status quo remains, all of it if they have their way.

There will be a token force somewhere in MEL/AVV or BNE.

The Sydney aircraft maintenance section, as per the SACL plans will be relocated, the current 13 or so hangar bays, will be torn down and relocated apparently. But a 2 bay A380 hangar costs over $100 million apparently. I can't imagine them wanting to spend $300-400+ million on new hangar facilities to comply with the following;

So it seems to me they have found a legal argument to circumvent the sale act, which is probably the last thing that needs to be tested in a court of law. Perhaps it depends on how the wording is interpreted. Is it the services individually or the services as a whole.

Qantas will also repeat over and over that - we carry out over 90% of our maintenance onshore. It will be true because the Aviation expert will repeat several times on Sunrise.

I don't blame you for being angry about this, I am too. It's not the ALAEA's fault though that the Liberal Government legislated 457 options and then put aircraft maintenance workers on the list. We've written and complained about it but it's not our decision to have our profession removed from the list. Maybe they will consider it again if there are people looking for jobs by the end of this week.

There are already people looking for jobs and they cant get them because the market is flooded with guys bailing out of QANTAS....... Fact

Well before any PIA took place during the dispute of last year the ALAEA offered Qantas pretty much what you suggested here. We offered, no transit check, no LAME on departure but we demanded there be one for each arrival so we could fix the broken ones. Qantas said no because they want everything and more. Don't think that the ALAEA incapable of being co-operative or progressive.

Representing AMEs and LAMEs together is not a conflict of interest. Both groups have long sought one representing body. AMEs currently sit in big unions and the aviation sectors are about 1% of the membership of that union. What say do you think they get and how much do you think their leaders know about our industry?

I'd post the quote up here if I had more time to work out how. The price for a bare hangar with door, concrete, fire system, Jacking points, tail dock, design etc... is $16,129,700.

Extra $10,000,000 US also gets Fuse dock, wing dock, engine docks, hydro jacks, engine hoists, 4 x 90kva power units and removeable engine stands.

Quote does not include computers or phones. They may cost an extra $50k but knowing Qantas they would shop around and find them for $6m.