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"Have these fools any idea of what they are about to destroy?"
umm nope. 737 is the backbone of the fleet and they are hamstringing the heavy & tech maintenance that has many hundreds of years of experience. |
Levels of stress that the CEO deemed required the grounding of an airline. An excuse trotted out to the govinmint/media/public when it suited them best.:mad: |
Agree
737 making money for the airline, so why don't we get rid of all the experienced prof engineers, planners, buyers, maint watch, etc etc ..............great idea !!
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Correct Bumpfoh.
It makes perfect sense if you see the situation as two warring tribes. The CMT [Clifford Management Tribe] and the Engineering Tribe. For many, many years the ET ran Qantas in its own inimitable way. Flt Ops was a small subservient division of Engineering. Now the CMT is taking over, suppressing opposition, asserting control. They don't understand you [or professional pilots, for that matter] and never will. They don't even want to understand. |
It would appear that management are relishing their rare opportunity to "slow bake" the employees that caused them so much angst last year.
Or maybe I'm just too cynical. |
yes 737 hm will go the way of mascot 747 hm....they did not care about the loss of exp people then and wont now....and dont forget the lies they told us back then that the hangars had to go to make a wider taxi way so domestic aircraft would be able to pass each other....lies lies:=
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These plans of management were set many years ago. They are slow baking the entire airline with Jetstar and their other start up companies. It is all in the name of lowering wages and conditions. We need to elect a labor Govt to stop it. Unfortunately we elected a Liberal Govt in Labor costumes.
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Agree,we need a government that is serious about aviation maintenance in Australia,in future there will be no more aircraft maintenance in Australia,
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quotes nothing but lawyer speak that means nothing to union members.
Unfortunately we elected a Liberal Govt in Labor costumes. With great respect Steve, the Australian Labor Party are working against the unions quietly but pretending to support you guys.. exactly the same way Tony Blair did in the UK... Like lemmings we just follow and allow it to happen. I was living in the UK when this happened to my disgust.. last year it appeared the momentum against Clifford's plans were exposed in this clip, then the wheels fell off... Shorten's double speak in this clip says it all... talk about sitting on the fence. he says nothing but actually supports the Qantas management... quotes nothing but lawyer speak that means nothing to union members. The unions were duped by Labor, no doubt about it... forget the FWA, it works against the workers of Australia and designed by Labor. It's the same tactics as the UK, slow bake the the unions. There is plenty of evidence, Bill Shorten, Albo & Gillard sold you guys out last year.... The FWA appeal by the pilots which they should win is also being slow baked by the "legal eagles" attached to the system. They will twist the decision to support the FWA system and the business community leaders, in my view of course. Union leaders of Australia have allowed Gillard to get off lightly because of it's close ties, they trusted them too much... (the same as the UK) From another thread, for me sums up the real plan The strategy is pretty obvious. Far Q Premium is still on. However, while they are shedding lots of employees in Australia they just can't talk about it out loud. Remember, 'the Asian strategy does not give rise to job losses in Australia'? They don't want any bad publicity like Toyota Australia, do they! It is still the plan, it's just gone underground. Then, dirty work completed, up pops the new 787 base in Singapore, all sorted and ready to go. [What a surprise!]. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52kT...osx5fFDdtlXEY= |
There are many ways to conduct a fight buddy its just that some battles are fought behind closed doors. We will open them for all to see if need be.
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These plans of management were set many years ago. They are slow baking the entire airline with Jetstar and their other start up companies. It is all in the name of lowering wages and conditions. We need to elect a labor Govt to stop it. Unfortunately we elected a Liberal Govt in Labor costumes. |
purely labour-based, union dominated parties are on the nose everywhere, and have been for a long time. To keep this on thread. This Govt. must enforce the intent of the Qantas sale act to prevent the wholesale destruction of our National airline. The Govt. have the tools to act but their masters won't let them. For HM this means an airline that bases its facilities onshore and can't set up a second airline with Qantas funds, routes, landing slots and support services to avoid the confines of the Act. |
This Govt is to busy cheating on taxi vouchers and other scams to give a rats about aviation.
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Taxi vouchers?
Pardon my ignorance Jethro, but as far as I can see the person concerned was going to lose his seat preselection because of his previous efforts so he prostituted himself to his party's so called mortal enemy. |
To add to the flavour of this discussion, is the Murdoch/News Corp (union hater) saga and the pollies. The same forces apply here. From the SMH
''I never asked a Prime Minister for anything,'' Rupert Murdoch told the Leveson inquiry in London last night. Lead counsel for the inquiry Robert Jay had been trying to coax the media mogul into a confession that he had absolutely no intention of making: that the chairman of News Corporation, through his news outlets, exercised undue influence on politics and politicians. That democratically elected Prime Ministers were captive in Mr Murdoch's petting zoo. Mr Murdoch's statement to the inquiry was intended as complete rebuttal. But truth is there could be no more succinct or categorical acknowledgement of Mr Murdoch's power. Being manifestly powerful means not having to ask. Politics knows what you want and what you need, and what you can do by way of retribution when thwarted. The relationship between politicians and media barons is always a delicate exercise in counterpoise. Hence the sound of those coat-tails trailing deferentially before you. Ask? Why ask, when everybody already knows what the transaction is. And when, as Murdoch biographer Michael Wolff put it in The Guardian after Mr Murdoch's appearance last night: ''His business is so large, his resources so vast, his options so many, his minions so efficient, that it would not occur to him that he would need to do this.'' But that acknowledgement notwithstanding — that we are watching one of the most powerful media barons in the world denying his power, thereby subtly confirming it — is a lurking sense of nostalgia. A sense that the covert power Mr Murdoch references has already peaked; that all this is a reflection on a past world. That a combination of the hacking scandal in the UK, the continuing internal pressure on Mr Murdoch within his own company to move past his old school love of newspapers, and the fragmentation of the media market is eroding everyone's hegemony in increments. That no one quite directs the play any more: not the politicians, not the media owners — that the monster of their co-creation has bounded somehow, drowned in the cacophony of the internet or rendered valueless by the weary cynicism of the consumers of politics and news. That things are not as they were, and never can be quite as they were, despite the implacable will of the mogul putting up with the interrogation at Leveson, because a sequence of events largely outside his control has left him with no other tenable option. To sit at the table and be star of the flea circus. |
A State Government spokeswoman said it was in talks with Qantas. "Our discussions are continuing and it is disappointing that the AWU is scaremongering while Qantas is making a decision," she said. Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun |
Pity they are saying the wrong thing.
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Would have thought the unions were working together looks like there not .
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Fed Sec was done over like a dinner , now he is spraying at all his so called "mates'"A boy trying to do a mans job comes to mind
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Queensland vs Victoria,Brisbane vs Melbourne,Melbourne vs Avalon.this is the game qantas playing with our lives.what a company ,shut all and go to ASIA.
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What is your point?
Jethro Gibbs:
Would have thought the unions were working together looks like there not . You constantly snipe on this and other threads about the unions (the ALAEA in particular) and what a sh!t job they're doing. What's the go? What are you trying to achieve? If you're a member of one of the unions involved, how about talking to your local delegate or calling the office and asking for an update. |
Shorten is a dog,he was happy to see sydney H.M. shut down because he thought there was going to be net gain in numbers for the AWU in avalon over sydney,the man didn't give a rats that Sydney's closing down would disrupt 450 family's ,as long as his union made an extra $400 per week in dues.
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This direction has been set since Alan Joyce filled Qantas upper management echelons with his mates. I remember Lyell Strambi at an employee roadshow saying he couldn't understand why there were 3 different heavy maintenance bases, just weeks after he started.
I can only guess, but would imagine the path for whats going on now has been set since AJ beat Borghetti for the top job and got his mates in to close the airline down bit by bit. |
Please understand that the facilities review is being strung out because it maximises the pleasure of Qantas management.
Narcissists adore being sucked up to by State Governments who are desperate to preserve jobs. They also adore the feeling of power that comes from creating fear, alarm, uncertainty and despondancy among their workforce. Don't you understand that there can never be enough gratification for these people? They feed on your pain! If you all agreed to a 50% salary cut, they would be after you the following week threatening you with replacement by Vietnamese. If the Vietnamese arrived, they would threaten them with replacement by even cheaper Burmese. There is no other explanation for the continuous Qantas policy of long drawn out and highly public reviews of facilities, staff numbers and working arrangements other than managements sheer enjoyment of this process. Professionally managed companies, on the other hand, do this in private and make their eventual decisions in a way to minimise employee emotional pain and suffering. |
Sunfish. It is managements job to have an efficient workplace. The monumental failure of management is their inept ability to manage its staff .Therefore their benchmark is to offshore all Heavy maintenance. It is well known that they resent the strong opinions of the Melbourne Lames, even suggesting that the militancy is due to the legacy of AA.
Leadership that inspires staff to embrace change or help make change is surely lacking due to the system that embraces yes men and promotes people who for lack of their own vision are encouraged to toe the line without question. One manager has said to me " it's not what I think or believe, but what I have to say" In other words middle management are forced to go against what they may reason is correct, in order to keep their positions. Perhaps as a work force we question too much the decision of management, however you can look at this as a disadvantage or a strength. I personally see it as a strength. Millions died in the WW1 in part as no one questioned the stupidity of the decisions made by blundering generals. 50 yrs or so later lives were saved in the Vietnam war by people saying " What the fcuk are we doing here" Ironacly the people who know the business the best are often silenced by the the Management who think they should know best ! As that is their job. For goodness sake, as a leader you don't have to know everything ! But you do have to have an ability to foster a team that comes up with the best answer to the problem. I do not believe that the dragging out of the decision is due to the sycophant personality of management that you suggest. I think it is more due to the influences of politics and perhaps the inherent thought that their initial decision may not necessarily be the best. Time will tell ! |
In today Geelong advertiser,employee are feeling frustrated with what qantas is doing to them,the morale of all qantas employees are so low even passengers are questioning the check instaff to what qf is doing to their employees ,what a way to advertise qf,qf is bleeding and AJ has cause enough damage,all employees should voice out their opinion and start questioning their management,today it is maintenance,tomorrow other department will be targeted,all unions should now joined together and save qantas
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Tulla gone, Avalon to close within 2 years unless state gov. Invests according to the Australian.
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Now reported by the AGE:
Qantas to sack 400 at Tullamarine: report May 1, 2012 - 1:36AM Qantas is set to axe 400 employees working in its heavy maintenance base at Tullamarine while another 660 are at risk at Avalon, News Limited reports. The report said a review conducted by the airline concluded that the division at Tullamarine could not be saved and must close within months. It also found that Avalon, near Geelong, was not viable beyond two years without major state government investment. Advertisement: Story continues below The report says the Tullamarine workers will be offered mining jobs in Western Australia during a careers information session at the hangar. If the sackings go ahead it will continue a horror run of job losses in Victoria which include 350 jobs at Toyota, 50 workers sacked at rail operator Metro and, in March, Murray Goulburn Co-operative slashing 60 jobs by closing its milk powder drying operation. AAP Read more: Qantas to sack 400 at Tullamarine: report |
"Tullamarine workers will be offered mining jobs in Western Australia"
I hope this is not a way of the pricks getting out of paying full redundancy entitlements. |
I hope this is not a way of the pricks getting out of paying full redundancy entitlements |
There is a special place in Hell for The Qantas Board and Management.
The ABC have just published the following: Qantas is refusing to confirm or deny reports it is about to cut 400 heavy maintenance jobs at Melbourne airport. In February the company announced it was reviewing maintenance operations at Tullamarine, Avalon and Brisbane. This morning the airline released a statement saying its "significantly reduced" aircraft maintenance schedule means three maintenance bases are no longer needed. The statement said a decision on how many jobs would go would be made by the middle of this month. This morning, Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association spokesman Paul Cousins told the ABC no decision on the job cuts had yet been made. But he said up to 500 jobs could be lost as Qantas consolidated its workforce from three maintenance facilities to two or possibly even one. The "meta message" here is that Qantas regards its employees as beneath contempt, otherwise they would not do things this way. The excuse that they are in a bargaining war for State Govenment investment cuts no ice, since such discussions can and do get held in private. If the Federal Government and opposition weren't composed of low life scum sucking filfth that enjoy the Qantas Chairmans lounge, they would call Qantas out over its behaviour and put a stop to it. |
I have a heavy Diesel background in the mines, i'm telling you now, Qantas engineers wouldn't last one day out there. who's going to relocate to bumfu*k nowhere and spend weeks at a time away from family? . I'm moving from Victoria to Queensland , this state's had it.
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Time to leave the country,government and companies pure greedy ,the reason why this news as state government is giving nothing,
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As usual, we all find it out in the media first - despite being promised by management that it would never happen.............
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frankthespanner, not sure why you think "Qantas engineers" wouldn't last on a mine site??? Would be interested to hear your reasoning.
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I've worked for 18 years out in the "real" world, QF land is a fairytail compared to the life of a mine maintenance worker. Seriously ... do you really need to ask? .
Don't get me wrong, i have a respect for most engineers who are very skilled, but well payed jobs in the maintenance fields are few and far between, only the experienced heavy fitters will get this work. |
Frank the spanner.... Your a tool! :eek:
You wouldn't last one hour working in the hanger, what with reading manuals and performing tasks that maintain the standards set from differing levels of compliance as well as knowing that the thousands who fly on the one aircraft your working on daily will perform flawlessly until its next check, dream on dirt digger fixer....... |
MR Rivet, i'm a QF engineer, about to lose my job. I spent the first 18 years of my life in undergroung mines, but thanks for the abuse..
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I work at H/M Tulla and after 30 years with the airline I am sick to death of all the lies, threats and being treated with contempt and then asked to do an engagement survey. After I get the boot I know that I will never fly qantas again.:):):)
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If qf does all jetstar maintenance in Australia ,all skills and jobs could be save,unions get one voice and save Victorian jobs,if u have to march to the parliment so be it,this about a skills that Australia will never get back once lost,the government is naive and they don't understand,
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