Yep, and the media knew 10 days ago, and probably before that for some of them.

A very sad way to do business from the Qantas management and the government at all levels. Meanwhile the car industry gets the grants to continue production and is owned by foreign companies.. Doesn't make any sense to me, the guys and girls running the country are more interested in themselves and their job security rather than do what's right for all Australian families.

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frank-en-furter and golden rivet[i have seen one once] lets not attack each other in these hard and worrying times.......as frank said things are very different in the mines and as he stated there are some very skilled LAME's out there,so lets focus on the facts about 400 are about to loose their jobs or be offered a transfer to Brissy or the mines.....last look at the papers and QF still has not made a statement....lets see what they say....the rim

'After I get the boot I know that I will never fly qantas again'
 

To Dockie and everyone,

Please, venting our frustrations on other remaining workers once we're gone is counterproductive and the wrong target.

If we hold in high regard those who today are our esteemed colleagues- in many parts of the company, known or unknown (but not necessarily of course upper management), then they deserve our support and encouragement all the more.

Let's act with dignity and with restraint, even if some elements of management don't.

It's all our mindset: we have a choice in how we think, behave and act. Go to bed each night knowing we didn't succumb to spite.

Keep calm and carry on.

Opening of hangar at Manila and qantas consolidation process,what a coincidence

10.02.2012
Opening of new A380 hangar at Lufthansa Technik Philippines
Third widebody hangar in Manila
Lufthansa Technik Philippines (LTP), one of the largest providers of aircraft maintenance services in Asia, has opened a third hangar in Manila for work on widebody aircraft. With this step, the company is preparing for the technical support of the world’s largest commercial aircraft.
Lufthansa Technik Philippines, a joint venture between Lufthansa Technik (51%) and the Philippine MacroAsia Corporation (49%), invested USD 30 million in the construction of the new hangar, which is 8,500 square meters large and 35 meters in height. The new hangar offers space to work simultaneously on one widebody and two narrowbody aircraft.
"With the new hangar, we will be able to keep up with the increasing demand for technical services for long-haul aircraft, particularly in the Asian market," said Lufthansa Technik Chairman of the Executive Board, August Wilhelm Henningsen. "By adding A380 capability, it underscores Lufthansa Technik Philippines’ role as global aircraft overhaul center."
"The continuous growth of the company leads to up to 400 new highly-technology and high-skills jobs in addition to the existing jobs" explained Gerald Frielinghaus, President and CEO of LTP.
Eleven years after its founding, Lufthansa Technik Philippines, located at Manila's Ninoy Aquino International Airport, offers comprehensive technical services including lease return checks and cabin modification for the Airbus A330/A340 and A320 families and now also for the Airbus A380.

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The new A380 hangar at Lufthansa Technik Phlippines

MANILA, Philippines — Lufthansa Technik Philippines (LTP), a joint venture of Lufthansa Technik AG of Germany and Philippine aviation service provider MacroAsia Corporation, is now ready to service Airbus A380, the worlds’ largest and most technologically advanced commercial plane, after the completion of its $30-million new hangar that expanded its repair and maintenance capabilities.&@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Ausssie iron ore,Aussie steel but to build in Australia it cost 150 million.who are they bluffing

Yes, it's a tough time, the wait is the hardest part - good luck everyone.

Very disappointing decision although not unexpected in the least. This was telegraphed even before Bruce D RIP was in power. Vindicates the previous exec in their battle to maintain heavy in H245. Jobs in the mines probably courtesy of Clifford and his morale conscience... pr#*k! Best of luck to the tulla boys and the ALAEA exec. Maybe a move to where the weather's better is worth consideration?

But I thought they cost $120 million? - according to QF management. Imagine the facility they could have built if they hadn't shut down the airline last year.:ugh:

A very good point AVENG. I guess it shows where their priorities lie.

Priorities lying? Oop's, was the that the truth just popping up to say hello?

Fourteen months of A380 reconfigs outsourced to Manilla LTP.
Five years worth of A380 rib boom repairs and modifications.
Shutting down Tulla.
Followed by shutting down Avalon.
Nil infrastructure investment.

Priceless

You're being completely unfair G1.

Q management, after shutting down H245 eight years ago, are refurbishing the shed. Makes sense to me.

My apologies Clipped i did overlook the New paint and strangely j* orange facade on H245.

Qantas is set to axe hundreds of jobs in Tullamarine and Avalon. Picture: Mark Smith
Taken from news.com.au

Hang about, it's how much?
QANTAS is set to axe 400 Victorian employees working in its heavy maintenance base at Tullamarine while another 660 are at risk at Avalon.
The Herald Sun said a review conducted by the airline concluded that the division at Tullamarine could not be saved and must close within months.

It also found that Avalon, near Geelong, was not viable beyond two years without major state government investment.

The paper says the Tullamarine workers will be offered mining jobs in Western Australia during a careers information session at the hangar.

If the sackings go ahead it will continue a horror run of job losses in Victoria which include 350 jobs at Toyota, 50 workers sacked at rail operator Metro and, in March, Murray Goulburn Co-operative slashing 60 jobs by closing its milk powder drying operation.

Who said they want to work in mining?!

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I fear that if workers are offered a job in the mines, and refuse it, then it could be counted as "resigning" and not being made redundant ?

"Hey, we had a job for you to go to, and YOU knocked it back"

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The REAL bad thing about the whole situation, even worse than the job losses, is the way management are going about it. I have NEVER in my whole life seen a management treat their employees with such utter contempt inflicting as much uncertainty and pain as possible, it is an absolute disgrace by any standards. Sunfish may have a point with his narcissist theory.....
Changes need to happen from time to time, agreed... But the way those changes are implemented is complete Bull:mad:
The airline should be grounded immediately due to all the various human factors at play at the moment

If Julia f$%#en Gillard took her balls out of her husbands handbag and acted in the interests of her constituents in Geelong,then maybe things could be different.

No consolatuion , but redundancy payments will have to be made . QF cannot avoid them. Its been a long time coming but the writing has been on the wall at Tulla for years . Poorly managed facility for many years an "old boys"club , cosy relationships between all levels who fough tany cahange to imptove the place. Sad , but it was always on the cards as long as they buried their heads .Feel so sad for the young guys , no future

superlame , successive govts for many, many years have showered taxpayer largesse at car makers in this country and they still cry poor and sack people. maybe they should reconsider where that cash goes and support a hi tech industry with strategic importance.Attach some heavy duty strings to it to keep it onshore.

another superlame, this was Australia's biggest mistake to half-vote for a Federal government that was backed by the NSW branch of Labor. We saw what they did to NSW and now they're doing it federally. Look at who's foreign minister now. He stuffed NSW, left it in a mess, went to Macquarie Bank (who own Sydney Airport and the rail link and the M5 and Lime taxis) on a healthy package, and is now foreign minister.

I know what I'm about to say will upset a few union people and leaders on this forum, but Labor has to go. They were thumped in NSW last year and sent into oblivion in QLD this year. Our current Prime Minister (and I have to call her that because she occupies the office) was not elected as PM. She rolled a democratically elected PM in June 2010 together with the abovementioned NSW Labor and Victorian Labor branches. Went to an election in October 2010 and was not voted as PM. Deals were done with the Greens and three idiots to get her over the line. There isn't enough time in the night for me to rant about this current government, so I won't. The facts speak for themsleves.

When a Labor government, or any government for that matter, has to do dirty deals to get itself into minority power, it doesn't deserve to be in power at all.

Until we get a government, of any persuasion, that will actually run the country for the benefit of the country and its people that is when things will change for the better, and not a moment sooner.

Only to be knocked down in the next few years to make way for new terminals under the new airport plan. A real brainiac of an idea that one!

I really dont want this to happpen, but I think they are trying really hard to get rid of QANTAS. I still do understand why, and at a time it was an airline that I so so wanted to work for.....I am very sad..................

@QF94...

Mate sorry to be the cynic, but the days of charismatic politicians who actually do what the public wants are over. All we have now are two teams one red and one blue who bow and scrape to the whim of the media, the rich and of course their own self interest in looking out for themselves once their day in the sun is over.

Forget the green team they will be back in their box after the landslide.

Qantas is not an airline, it is a hedge fund. The APA bid never went away, it just morphed into a capital lite LBO due to the GFC and the drying up of credit. What you are watching is a more sophisticated camouflage for the old asset strip.

Read the book " " by Thomas Petzinger Jr - (a used copy is less than US$1+postage), documenting the US deregulation experience. A small group of executives and private equity investors walked away as billionaires, while the rest of industry ended up destitute. This book provides many templates for seizing control, and destroying airlines for personal profit.

The cash flows from the international & domestic operation are being used to construct a stable of new airlines in jurisdictions with far less transparency and control for the shareholder. There are a myriad of opportunities for "third parties" to provide services to this stable of airlines. In effect, these airlines can be reduced to clients of these service providers. Who will own those "third party" providers?

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Another nail in the coffin is the fact that QF have sent OQD to Manila for a reconfig plus wing inspections and repairs plus lightning strike repairs. Plus the IFE WiFi Satcom upgrade.
All this with no Qantas LAMEs to over see the operation. No Airbus field support engineers.
All this to a facility that has not yet seen an A380 in anger.
It can end 2 ways, in tears for all the QF managers trying to save a peso, who the have to explain why the aircraft is parked in Sydney for a week on its return

or

It is a blinding success, it does 2 flights before things go bad.

What a way to treat your "flagship". No supervision of work carried out by a MRO keen on a profit.

Having said all that, the new cabin interior manager in Sydney who has made lots of friends of late is going to be there for the end of the check to make sure the cabin is up to scratch.
I sure hope is tank training is also up to date.

@another superlame,

You forget that these new generation aircraft don't require the maintenance the older aircraft once needed. Not in Australia anyway.

I hope they fix the RAT on that aircraft while it's up there, if it hasn't been fixed yet. It takes a bit of time to blow dry the RAT every transit.

The coffin for QANTAS is pretty well nailed shut. It's just waiting for the eulogy before being lowered into the grave. The eulogy, for those close to QANTAS would be:

Has it been confirmed no QF LAMES are to be present during the A380 reconfig in MNL ...

Yes, 100%.

When will QF learn.....good luck to you guys in Base and cabin interior in Syd to pick up the pieces when it comes back ...Be sure to document all anomalies through the correct channels ...

@ ConcernedLame

QF management will NEVER learn as they're lucky to have two brain cells between them to collide and cause a spark. The level of arrogance to say they have wronged or they'll learn from past mistakes prevents this from happening.

Yes, the pieces will be left to be picked up when the aircraft comes back. As has been the case since aircraft were maintained outside of QANTAS.

and the job numbers will go down to a department in Australia making them look inefficient. The real cost of the reconfig never recorded against the Asian facility.

This is the whole story of how International operations are made to look inefficient. All costs placed against it, made to look like it's in a sorry state (sorrier than it really is) and then reduce it to next to nothing so as to make JQ look good and take over QF's routes, when in fact it's QF carrying the load of the overseas facilities and JQ.

Where do the "Rocket Scientist" think they are heading
 

For God's sake when are these idiots going to wake up? If as we all suspect mainline is making money, but by using what can only be called"False Accounting" it is holding afloat the orange cancer and being made to look as though it is bleeding heavily. Can they not see that by degrading the mainline operation to the point that it in fact does not make money, THEN THEIR ORANGE LOVECHILD WILL ALSO WITHER AND DIE AS THERE WON'T BE ANYTHIG TO KEEP IT AFLOAT. Jeez it ain't rocket science.

And as a side note I would almost bet part of my anatomy on the Domestic operation now being claimed to be underperforming (Guess What it's EBA time again) well according to those who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing, that is.

I'm past caring but I do have two lads working there and I fear for their future.

The whole industry started down the slippery slide when these accounto/business types got into the operation with no background in Aviation, no Avgas/Avtur in their veins and only focussed on their KPI's and short term bonus driven mantra's, wormed their way to the top and proved almost exclusively that they didn't have a clue.
Amazingly they almost all jump ship just prior to it going down and pop up in another operator they see as ripe for the picking. eg see how many ex AN people are now in JQ or QF happly heading in the well worn, well known path....some people just never learn.

It grieves me to see where the industry is at the moment as when I started in the industry in 1966 things looked so good...how they have changed, for the worse:ugh:

I just hope that the incompetence at the upper echelons is recognized and cleaned out while there is still time to right the ship and get it back to it's glory days..........Rant Over

Can't agree enough with you emu!

Making QF international appear to loose money whilst propping up Jet* and outsourced maintenance is a tool to see QF share price remain low and Jet* look like a good buy,
Once sold, Jet* not propped up by QF Jet* fails.
The board invent some meaningless "change" in QF international and it is suddenly making a profit, so the board earn yet another bonus and cheap share options now worth a motsa. And got rid of those pesky engineers to boot..
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Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow....
 

QF 94 - You have encaptured the sentiments and distressed feelings of 16,000 former Ansett employees..........

Role on..

The day Ansett disappeared was a dark day in Australia's aviation history and should never have happened. Sure there were rivalries, but that's what made the Australian aviation industry what it was. Robust, competitive, and employees on each side had pride, loyalty and ownership of THEIR airline.

As much as it pains me to see it happening again at QANTAS, I believe there will be a fight to keep it going as long as possible, as there is a lot of pride still left in QANTAS employees including ex-Ansett people who don't want to be involved in round 2 of another airline going under, or struggling for an extended period of time because of a few rotten people that occupy the QF board.

QF94 - hit the nail on the head, buddy !!

Role on...

Does anyone know what Aircraft Structural ContractorsPty Ltd are like to work for ? They recently had an ad for LAME / AME all trades for all a/c in QF fleet and then some. Director has some vague conx to QF.

They are just collecting resumes for there files wont answer any questions my guess they have no real work anyway.
These joints are popping up everywhere usually run by one bloke operating out of his kitchen.