Proactive?
 

You mean being proactive? Are you crazy? This is Qantas 2012 under Joyce, they wouldn't look past the next 7 days :-P

I think you're the crazy one Nudlaug !!

To even suggest that the 'Roo has a 7 day forward plan is to signal to the world that you have no idea how management at the 'Roo works :p !

It's more like this ..............

Day 1 ........
See dry leaves

Day 2........
Notice leaf pile has increased in size and weather is getting warmer

Day 3.......
Notice weather is hotter and winds are increasing

Day 4.......
Notice known fire-bug in area

Day 5........
See known fire-bug playing with matches

Day 6.......
See small amount of smoke

Day 7.......
See large amount of smoke

Day 8.......
See small grass-fire

Day 9.........
See small bushfire

Day 10.......
See large bush-fire

Day 11.........
See catastrophic bush-fire

Day 12.........
OMG !!
Why weren't we warned ?
Look what the bl@@dy unions have done to us !
Look what the government has done to us !
Look what our competitors have done to us !
Look what the oil companies have done to us !
Look what the $A has done to us !
Look what the tourist market has done to us !

Days 13 - 19.........
Run around in circles repeating cries of day 12

Day 20.........
Send Liv in to face the press and reassure financial markets that all is well

Day 21.........
Make 50% of the troops redundant and send the remaining in to fight the fire

Day 22.........
Criticise the troops for taking so long to bring the fire under control

Day 23........
Bask in glory for having controlled the fire !

ST

F@ckin' gold, that is!

Hehe Spanner got a point :-D

how did you manage to convince Joyce to give you his long term business plan? :E

He's gunna burn an Asian forest down before he starts here.

After seeing my '2nd Thread' moved maybe the moderators know more than me regarding the redundancies.I believe that some Line LAME's from outside the affected areas(Mel-Bne-Syd-Adl) asked for figures to investigate the possibility of applying should there be a shortage of applications.I have been told that they were all refused.Maybe QF think they will get more than enough!!!
As to wether Heavy Maint LAMEs(When and if they are announced) will be able to swap with Line Maint should the need arise any ideas?

I have heard a few rumbles that the current round of lay-offs are chicken feed.
When MoD comes into full swing some management have described the amount to go as a bloodbath.
This can't be good.

Why has the ALAEA gone so quite on everything of late .

alaea is talking to the company jethro regarding the carnage. LAME numbers fell short of that required. AM/AMEs overdone. I am sure that the alaea will push hard to see other ports included in the VR process. Whether they can force their hand or not is another question.

can we stop calling it MOD please ? it is just another biz speak euphemism to try and alter the fact of the matter being LESS maintenance on demand and lower safety standards.

The maintenance review Team or whatever they are called visited Avalon last week well not exactly they stayed in a Geelong Hotel and never set foot on Avalon .

Are you sure ? That would imply somewhat that they haven't made a decision yet. From what I've been hearing straight from the mouths of management, there will only be 1 heavy maintenance facility at the end of all this, not this first round but the bloodbath thats down the road.

Enough to satisfy the requirements of the Qantas Sale Act. The only things that would influence the decision making process now is how much money can be extracted out of state governments to keep jobs from going overseas some more. Sorry, I meant, keep the remaining jobs onshore, as Alan keeps telling us, the jobs are gone, not outsourced but gone. Big difference.:confused:

You can probably thank CASA too for allowing aircraft maint within Australia to now run on the smell of an oily rag. Hence the complete disregard and contempt that some management are now showing for the standards, systems and previous track records that we had in place. Disgraceful.

In the next six months QE is having "The Mother of all reorganisations"

1) Melbourne Heavy Maintenance to close

2) Melbourne Maintenance Scheduling to move to Sydney

3) Melbourne Maintenance Watch to move to Sydney

4) All supply / Engineering (degree engineers) / support to move to Sydney

5) Anyone else in "The White House" to be cleaned out

6) Redundancies (Round 1)

7) Marlin / Maintenix to replace Cameo

As far as I can see, each and every one of these, if it is to be attempted at all, should be done in complete isolation of the others.

All of these functions are Mission Critical, failure of any one of these could have catastrophic results for QE, and hence Qantas itself.

These, each and every one, are CORE FUNCTIONS of having an aircraft at the gate serviceable and ready to depart on-time.

Even with my rapidly fading eyesight I can see MANY unexpected hiccups along the way.

I believe, that with just the tiniest bit of common sense, when the wheel nuts are found to be loose and the wheels are wobbling off of the wagon, management will have no choice but to "defer" the implementation of MOD.

ST

(Best I say no more, but I am very reliably informed that a few people have already noticed a couple of wheel nuts loosing off even at this early stage.)

Perhaps you should come out with another 61 point questionnaire

Shon7, perhaps you could eat your own $h!t.

With the redundancies at Sydney Base on this coming Monday, I doubt many Int services will go anywhere near schedule, if at all...... :{

Maintenix on its own will cause a bloodbath. At the moment is only serves 12 aircraft and it struggles with those 12.
When it goes fleet wide, the network will come to a grinding halt through no fault of the maintenance staff. The system is cumbersome.

It will do just fine. There will be some challenges which is inevitable with every transition.

Many airlines have done it and emerged stronger in the end.

Supposed big announcement now slated for April 26

It was a pleasure working with you all.............................

The NZ brothers warned that Nastyswine was brought to QF to swing the axe, they were right. The smiling assassin has done his duty, will he be gone now?. :sad:

shon7
As an failed Indian wannabe pilot since 2002, I fail to see how anything you say has any relevance. You're a troll, you don't work for anyone involved, you're probably the product of rich parents who paid for you to do your training in America or Canada yet seem to have done nothing since, except fail, judging from your posts.

You post threads about dealing with burnout from being ignored by everyone you apply to amongst other things like 'why don't they fly syd to jfk direct', yet you seem to have a perverse like for alan joyces actions, wishing him to come to your native India and deal with the union scum over there.

Here's a hint, get a job, work in the industry, don't be a scab and then come back and have a valid opinion. Until then its best to just keep your irrelevant, invalid opinion to yourself.

wow. excellent research. With skills like these you could probably solve the Kennedy assassination. Better still you could turn around QF international and stop the 200 mn hemorrhage (google the word if you dont understand it or ask your parents to explain it to you) so that JQ can actually be spun off and not keep having to prop up QF.

By the way, whats getting you so worked up if the opinion is irrelevant and invalid. Or is it?

Wonder if Qantas and Project 7 will or are already are joining forces to reduce heavy maintenance Labour given there involvement in Toyota sackings.

Performance Improvement, Lean Learning, Quality Improvement Process

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/...cument&src=hp7

Everyone should be asking where the unions are as well as they all seem to have dropped of the face of the planet in the past month.

Jethro

What would you have the union do? Lobby a State Liberal Govt?

Make open book concessions to Qantas? Over many years Tulla staff have met and exceeded performance targets, repeatedly. This has made no difference as performance, expertise and capability will be sacrificed by an airline hell bent on short term political and industrial gain.

Not unlike the closure of H245, this 'consolidation' makes no practical sense, money will not be saved. But management's KPI's will be met.

This whole episode stinks.

You could always pick up the phone Jethro and call your union.

The noble and brave capitalists trickle down their wealth to the rest of us , we are tinkled on, and we should be grateful .

Maybe you just have no idea what work is being done behind the scenes.

Give alaea a chance,they are trying to protect lame jobs in all three bases.

Where's the ALAEA,
I think Sp was standing in a picket with PALEA Filipinos that had a ten
Year pay freeze, then sacked then offered their jobs back
With a 30% pay cut whilst the airline profits multiply and the execs rape it:mad:
They're not even cheap enough.
Why is dishonesty and white collar crime so acceptable.
Why do managers need more to perform better, but their workforces
Need less (fyi that is a rhetorical question for some of the thicker trolls on this forum)

The ALAEA is also meeting with QF on the many varied combinations
Of maintenance scenarios, finding the many baseless and flawed decisions
The ministers fail to act, CASA is aiding the farce by its compliance
With whatever QF decrees. The Once sort after Australian Lame licences are no longer internationally recognized.
You can only keep chipping away, or resisting in hope what made qf is stopped before All destroyed.

All the unions are in a very difficult situation in 2012. Many laws are currently more focused on protecting the rights of companies and the one percent than they are focused on the rights of the individual. The more people who join the unions and support them equals more power to all of us as individuals, and more rights , and better working conditions .

Unions in a difficult position, with a Labour government? I think not.

ranmar this is not a real labor govt. They did jack on changing work choices and crapped on the twu alaea and aipa.

Decision has been delayed,more days of agony.

Interesting, that they need more time to come up with a decision.

The idea of consolidation of HM was thrown around a couple of years ago. What work was done in that time? Have these fools any idea of what they are about to destroy?

Probably attempting to siphon a few more goodies from the Qld/Vic governments, whilst Joe Blow on the hangar floor turns up every day doing a decent days work and wondering what the hell the future holds. I would imagine there is quite a bit of stress about. Levels of stress that the CEO deemed required the grounding of an airline.

Morons.