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airsupport 11th Feb 2009 05:33


That licence does not automatically grant you the right to certify for maintenance on the company aircraft you hold the licence on. The company must approve you to do that.
I have never experienced that in some 40 years in the Industry.

If it happens in Australia, it must be a Qantas thing.

empire4 11th Feb 2009 05:59

Singapore, malaysia etc etc give you approval numbers and stamps. Not sure about virgin or other airlines, but EASA you never use your licence number. this is called traceablity. QF have none.

airsupport 11th Feb 2009 06:08

empire4,

I appreciate your input and answering my questions, however I am now happy that this whole mess is definitely a Qantas thing.

The cases you are talking about now are IF you are to be certifying for aircraft owned by another operator, in the cases you quote a foreign operator, that is entirely different from certifying for aircraft owned by your employer and Aussie registered.

airsupport.

SRM 11th Feb 2009 08:49

AIRSUPPORT,

SUGGEST YOU READ CAR 214, THIS EXPLAINS THE REASON WHY OPERATORS AND MROs MUST HAVE CONTROL OF THEIR CERTIFING STAFF.

CHEERS,

SRM

airsupport 11th Feb 2009 09:09

Why???

CAR 214 relates to training, NOT certification. :confused:

another superlame 12th Feb 2009 04:16

How does one get the name of smasher? I might try it myself as an ego boost wouldn't go astray

another superlame 12th Feb 2009 08:36

Well then, enough said

sky rocket 12th Feb 2009 09:00

Now that QF have stopped training, and only want ame's to boost their numbers, how can they stop non-qualified staff certifying for their aircraft?

sky rocket 12th Feb 2009 09:02

I guess they could train more staff.

SUB 12th Feb 2009 09:23

This guy had the worst attitude towards working on aircraft and talking about aviation that I have ever seen, not ever interested in work fullstop, loved to dish it out but could never take it. This is the story, he could not pass AA ever since casa changed the exam but just could not face his employees that he kept failing, so he started to certify to say yes I am now a LAME and thought he could keep trying to pass AA on the sly and then get through the system without anyone knowing. He admitted to managment that he was embarassed to his workers that he could not pass the exam.

tjc 12th Feb 2009 09:42

I dont know of any other RPT airline that has come across so many recent problems with their Eng Dept. I am sure the problems are out there but, whether the root cause is management or floor level, the individuals in the latest hiccupps have to take most of the blame.

Is it just QF or are their others out their?

duderanch 12th Feb 2009 15:34

Here we are again. Someone else it seems posing as a Lame and not getting paid for it. WHY WOULD YOU.:ugh: Never thought I'd see it twice in my lifetime.
Who is his manager ? Is it the same one involved as the the last guy? Does he know his own employees. Now surely after last time you would have implemented something to prevent a reoccurance. Obviously not. And now they travel down the same path of asking LAMEs on their data base to produce their license. If you are an AME posing as a Lame wouldn't you would slip through the net again. This guy did last time as to Qf he was an Ame on their listing . Are they stupid. Surely his manager must be asked how could this happen again. Theres the gate,thanks for coming . And CASA should be asked the same thing. You are the governing body what steps did you take to prevent a reoccurance?
There was a time at Qf when Quality assurance and Casa would reguarly conduct audits out in the field to ensure people had the right qualifications and were signing paperwork correctly. Can't remember when that happened last. Incompetance from CASA and QF engineering management.

Clipped 12th Feb 2009 21:33


There was a time at Qf when Quality assurance and Casa would reguarly conduct audits out in the field
Exactly. When was the last time you saw a Rep from CASA or our very own QA on the shop floor or tarmac? Not just auditing but there to oversee that the whole operation is consistent and compliant with other ports. I could here CASA and QF management now laughing down that idea ... " Do you know how expensive that would be."

$$$ .. Whoops .. Safety First.


Are they stupid
And shortsighted.

Bolty McBolt 12th Feb 2009 22:29

There have been many good suggestions on modern safe guards that could prevent this ever happening again , Electronic access to quals etc BUT

for mine this could have been prevented if CASA had continued issuing 5 digit License numbers when a license was achieved.

EG in NSW an "N12345" Victoria V12345 Queensland Q12345 etc etc

If you forge or make up your licence number you would stand a much greater chance of being found out short term than the current practice of using your ARN number with an "L" prefix.
Combined with a CASA web access site to confirm Quals Name and Number plus a company issued license number stamp etc LAMEs would not be burdened by this type of embarrassment again

Just a suggestion as I am merely a legacy engineer working on a legacy fleet.

K9P 12th Feb 2009 22:55

Could this in fact be an insight into the frailties in the system since the "Engineering Rationalization" by the new age "Management Team"?

Is the patient slowly bleeding to death, as he is being patched by only a Band aid?

Are the mice lining up the cheese holes?

The cougar 13th Feb 2009 08:09

Airsupport.
After 40 years in the game I can understand your 707 license allows you to work on all 707's worldwide. However the 767 and 747 comes with many variations and differences at the request of individual airlines. It has become excruciatingly clear that you just don't get it!

Runaround Valve 13th Feb 2009 08:46

Back in the 1970`s, a Senior LAME forgot to renew his license. When Civil Aviation found out a month or two later, he was taken up to Technical Records and had to resign everything he signed for in that period again in red ink.
Another LAME had got made up a rubber stamp with his license number on it. Told not to use it as all license numbers had to be hand written.

VBA Engineer 13th Feb 2009 12:02


Quote:
"That licence does not automatically grant you the right to certify for maintenance on the company aircraft you hold the licence on. The company must approve you to do that. "


I have never experienced that in some 40 years in the Industry.

If it happens in Australia, it must be a Qantas thing.

Not sure where you've been hiding then........

airsupport 13th Feb 2009 23:36


Airsupport.
After 40 years in the game I can understand your 707 license allows you to work on all 707's worldwide. However the 767 and 747 comes with many variations and differences at the request of individual airlines. It has become excruciatingly clear that you just don't get it!
Sorry about that, I bow to your much superior knowledge. :uhoh:

Sadly I don't have, and never have had a B707 Licence, or a B747 either, however I have (among many others) both B767 and A300 Licences both with multiple engine types, and I have certified for these Aircraft types Worldwide for many years and without needing any of this extra rubbish that seems to be at Qantas and some Foreign Airlines like the QA approvals and stamps etc.

I say again, you will find that these extra approvals and stamps etc are ONLY needed IF one is to be certifying for Aircraft other than those of your Aussie Employer. An Aussie LAME can certify for his/her Employer's Aircraft that he/she is Licenced on by CASA anywhere in the World without ANY extra paperwork. Different OF COURSE if you are asked to certify for Aircraft of another Operator OR for an Aircraft that is not VH registered.

IF you still don't understand then I am truly sorry, but that is how it is. :ugh:

airsupport 13th Feb 2009 23:41


Quote:
Quote:
"That licence does not automatically grant you the right to certify for maintenance on the company aircraft you hold the licence on. The company must approve you to do that. "


I have never experienced that in some 40 years in the Industry.

If it happens in Australia, it must be a Qantas thing.


Not sure where you've been hiding then........

Okay I forgot about Virgin Blue, never had anything to do with them either, but the same should apply, IF you work directly for Virgin Blue and you need to certify one of their Aussie registered Aircraft you should ONLY need your CASA Licence, different of course if you work for anyone else even their handling company.


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