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BrissySparkyCoit 9th Mar 2009 11:48

I don't quite understand his logic. Why would he do both? If he did the QF course first, then he would have to be a complete fool to then sit a JTP course. If he sat the JTP course first, why would QF waste $$ (we all know what tightar$es QF are), when all he would need is minimal training to bring him up to speed on QF specifics?

nut turner 10th Mar 2009 01:35

I worked with him when he did his QF course and he never mentioned at any time he had done a JTP course.:confused:

Maybe its more tall tales.

Redstone 10th Mar 2009 03:31

Who knows, but as claimed before I have also spoken to people who were on the company course he did and people who claim he was sitting the 767 at JTP in the same class as them.

ktmac 12th Mar 2009 02:47

Any new developments??
 
Whats the latest with this chap? has he been charged yet?

mahatmacoat 12th Mar 2009 07:08

No he has not been charged. Qantas haven't reported him to the authorities, they have just promoted him to Group General Manager of Quality after JV announced his retirement yesterday.

Long Bay Mauler 14th Mar 2009 02:58

He is probably busy helping security draw up its new "Crime" document.

Funny,but if management hadnt taken its eye of the ball by actively "buggering" its engineering staff,and had taken a sensible approach to reorganisng engineering and maintaining training records,then we may not have seen these 2 idjits.

nuked 14th Mar 2009 14:41

Maybe if CASA would allow a company to send over a LAME's licence number and have them confirm his licence might help a great deal, however they dont and wont do that due to "privacy issues".

Anybody with a scanner, PC, printer and time on their hands can easily fake a licence, when they bring in Photo licences and allow cross referencing through CASA then things will change.

Blaming management is one thing, but how many people actually knew and worked with these fake's, and why didn't they know he was full of it. Hell after 30 years in the industry I knew what courses all my mates were doing, what they had done and where they stood, to have any one of them suddenly announce that they were a LAME would have surprised everybody. Where was the vigilance on the Hanger floor? as opposed to the Managers sitting inside Aircon offices who wouldn't know the guy from a bar of soap.

Just a though for what it's worth

Redstone 15th Mar 2009 03:26


Blaming management is one thing, but how many people actually knew and worked with these fake's, and why didn't they know he was full of it. Hell after 30 years in the industry I knew what courses all my mates were doing, what they had done and where they stood, to have any one of them suddenly announce that they were a LAME would have surprised everybody. Where was the vigilance on the Hanger floor?
Nuked, I think you are missing the point. The fact is both of the gentlemen in question most definately sat Qantas company type courses. One a 744 the other a 767. Most fellow workers would then reasonably expect that at some time after the completion of said course that the chap would eventually submit required SOE, have initial licence issued, sit the company LAME induction course and then be in the system able to certify.

The argument here is that under the "brave new world" management team, the checks and balances of yesteryear were obviously not followed. For instance, the boss would have sighted your basics results as they were completed and checked you off on the list. Once ALL required basics completed then, and only then, were you considered for a type course but subject to the "show me your soe book" test. (I know a certain manager in Sydney lamented years ago because he had so many guys that he had put on course with outstanding credits, and because they had F.A. soe when put into the school, he was still low on coverege.) If soe not around 75%, forget it, next in line......

Now, the eQ system takes over and managers rely very heavily on it, even though there probably less control on info stored within.

tjc 15th Mar 2009 09:01


Now, the eQ system takes over and managers rely very heavily on it, even though there probably less control on info stored within
They, (you know who they are), rely on eQ because they have no idea what it takes to become a LAME.

Our non-technical, uni degreed, overnight managers have never had an idea of what it means to be a LAME.

Not taking it all away from the fakes, but - Hence where we are now!

deadweight 17th Mar 2009 02:45

There is a difference between a Fake and Incompetance, some of you need to go and look it up.:D

If he hasnt been charged, then id say it would be time for some serious head hunting........:ouch:

Whats the Unions stance on this now.....i hear it has changed.:ooh:

Long Bay Mauler 17th Mar 2009 09:26

Apparently one of the West Coast brothers has been identified by management as a possible FLAME.

Something to do with basics and courses being completed in the incorrect order.....

BrissySparkyCoit 17th Mar 2009 13:42

It is possible to sit a type course without completing all basics. You need a letter of dispensation from CASA. To obtain this, you must have a reasonable length of time an AME, have completed most of your basics and provide a copy of your trade course results (statement of attainment from TAFE as I recall).

You cannot become a LAME however, until you have completed the basics.

nut turner 17th Mar 2009 21:13

Sitting a license course without all your basics is not a new thing. I personally know of one engineer who did a company 747 A/F course with only half his basics because Qantas's records at the time showed him haveing all his basics. The only problem he had was waiting to finish his basics before he could hold his licence. (This was quite a few years ago, but obviously Qantas's records are still in poor condition)

mutorcs 18th Mar 2009 10:32

there is an engineer in cns who sat a B747 classic back in the early 90's but didnt pick up the licence for 10 yrs.He told the then manager he had all his basics but didnt.At least he didnt get his licence till he passed his basics

Long Bay Mauler 19th Mar 2009 00:43

The only problem with that scenario is that CASA dont generally have enough surveyors with a) time on type b) time in that group e.g. 20/21 and c) everything is now being centralized in Canberra.

But I do like the thinking.At least doing the PCT oral exams at Qantas now,you are quizzed by people with knowledge,time on type,and thats excluding the lead quizzer.So far all my PCT instructors have been guys that I respect as LAMEs.

Bumpfoh 19th Mar 2009 23:49

Training????
 

So far all my PCT instructors have been guys that I respect as LAMEs.
By this bugs I take it you have had some "recent" training.

Good luck to you as we seem to see 4 fifths of stuff all in our port due to our incredibly stingy p1ss poor excuse for management.:ugh:

splashman 21st Mar 2009 08:43

A great debate, but.....

He would of known he was not licenced, but, from this forum, acted as he was

Did he take to salary as if he was?

If he certified and was not licenced to, got caught, bad luck.. A strong deterent to others who may think they can

Kristi Mroczkowski 10th Jun 2021 11:23

Information on this cases outcome?
 
I know how long ago this was but I found out last night that this is or was until I kicked him out on Sunday my partner. I would like to know if there is somewhere I can get information on this case. Was he allowed to work as an engineer again? Because he is. Thanks in advance

t_cas 11th Jun 2021 09:40


Originally Posted by Kristi Mroczkowski (Post 11059851)
I know how long ago this was but I found out last night that this is or was until I kicked him out on Sunday my partner. I would like to know if there is somewhere I can get information on this case. Was he allowed to work as an engineer again? Because he is. Thanks in advance

a scorned partner seeking revenge or damage?

Xeptu 11th Jun 2021 13:58

This comes as no surprise, I remember putting that very question to the chief pilot 20 years ago. In the early years everything went into the licence, then around the early 90"s it went to everything goes into the logbook, All endorsements are command endorsements today, CASA wouldn't necessarily know you're a Captain. Add to that mergers, takeovers and rapid expansion and you suddenly have a lot of new faces you have never met. So I put it to the chief, how do "you" actually know I hold an ATPL, no-one has ever asked to see it. He said that's not even funny. No it's not but it could happen. 20 years on and that's still the case, not even casa wants to see it on a ramp check,


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