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Please gentlemen,

Let us not stoop to low personal attacks on fellow pilots or even management.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion if it is argued in an appropriate manner.Let us not attack our own kind.Fellow pilots are not enemies.

By getting personal you highlight your inability to argue your position correctly.

I wish both Qantas and Jetstar pilots a successful future.With the massive expansion planned there should be growth for both JQ and QF.
I still feel it is a shame that we are not a united force with the options to move around the Qantas group.I am sure that the majority of pilots in both Jetstar and Qantas would not oppose such an idea.There are many good guys and girls in both camps.If we all got together minus the few idiots in each camp it would be a great piss up.

To look on the bright side with the world pilot shortage as acknowledged by the QF chief pilot, Airbus and Boeing we are all in a good position.

If all pilot salaries in OZ are to be "driven" down as professor suggests then we will have many options elsewhere if required.With the average Captain having 15 years experience, he or she will be a valuable commodity elsewhere.As I eluded to earlier let us not jump at shadows.

Safe flying to all.Both Jetstar and Qantas.

We all work for the same outfit do we not?

For all his previous BS about unity and so on, this show's genex's true colours.

If anyone ever doubted that genex was into outright distortion and manipulation of reality then this post proves it also. :rolleyes:

Errrr..... you guys do realise that the vote is over don't you?????

I can't believe this thread is still alive. It's over, the results are out, lets move on.

Perhaps a new, more constructive thread would be appropriate. May I suggest something along the lines of 'how are we going to achieve the future goal of one union?'

The more people dwell here on who said what, when and to who the longer the divisions will fester. :)

Yep JJW, the vote is over, and apparently they voted in a base pay for an A320 Capt of around 145K, with minimal increases for 5 years.

No wonder V Aus are offering what they are for 777 Capt's!

Cloudsurfing

I wonder how those who voted NO will go sitting next to the CFO/AWA that voted YES.

not a problem at all mate, probably would have done the same if I was in their position, I do however have a problem with management and those spineless $%@#ks who ran off for AWAs.

Capt B B
a little misleading there but that is to be expected on this site

A question for Genex. What award conditions would you rather, Jetstar A320 or QF 737? What about Jetstar A330 or QF A330?

At great risk of getting this thread back toward track can someone please give an indication what sort of coin you would expect to see in the group certificate at the end of the financial year for both 320 and 330???

Please............. :sad:

Jetstar T & Cs here:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=317096

Isn't it great to see this fantastic unity amongst pilots in this day and age!

Having been retired for a couple of years now it warms the cockles of my heart to see that todays young turks are carrying on the great tradition that we left them, which is to look after one another and support each other in improving the terms and conditions of all pilots, united together in a common cause!!..

Err!...yeah, sure!! :=:=:=

Sure thing AMOS maybe things are a little tougher now than in the 20th century.

Yes well amos.. pprune is actually a very narrow part of the interaction that occurs between pilots today. You'd be mistaken to think this site is representative of the majority view, it's just where most of the vitriol and whinging occurs today.

Surely you have better things to do in retirement than get all worked up over what you read on the internet, there are a number of sites that would provide a retiree better entertainment...or maybe you could just take a walk or read a book.

If things are tougher now then there is even more reason to work together and support each other against this obnoxious management.

Ummmm.....I would probably vote for affordable and sustainable quality jobs on interesting new equipment with good rates of promotion. But that's only me. If you want to fly something with hubcaps for years then by all means do so.

Err!, well, actually Reeltime, I amuse myself with Sim work on A320s and 737s and marvel at the inadequacies of todays young pilots...perhaps young turks like you even?...

who knows? :=:=:=

A beautiful piece of management spin by genex! :eek:

If your not management - your the world's biggest sucker!

What about properly remunerated???? It doesn't even rate a mention in your books!

What's wrong with hubcaps? Are you sick of looking up at them, knowing you cant get up there?

What is it you are unhappy with baz.

The figures published give a potential of 260k+.

This is more than the Prime Minister and more than 90+% of the population. It is approximately 5x the AWE.

WTF do you think you deserve?

Get real people, and stop dreaming.

Not management and not J*. But the figures look a whole lot better than I am achieving as an expat.

Maui

I knew Genex would shirk around the question. See, he didn't answer it. So if Qantas pay rates aren't sustainable, why are they endorsed by mangement in a company making huge profits? Sure, promotion was a little on the slow side but it's picking up now and quick promotion was unheard of only a couple of years ago. But I guess you also have to decide about lifestyle/family too.

He shirks around most questions, D McG. Prefers to snipe from the sidelines or answer with a non-deferential fob off or put down. I find the strength of his convictions to be irrational for someone who claims to be only an interested observer and not actually affected by the proceedings. It casts a shadow of doubt on these claims in my book.

Maui,

I think the PM's salary is a totally moot point but it's actually $336,000 and then there's a whole heap of perks that go along with it that add up to a whole lot more. (Not to mention it sets you up for an extremely lucrative post-political career.)

Not quite sure how you came up with $260,000+ either. Level 3 Check captain flying 1000 hours a year with each additional hour flown on rostered days off and every performance bonus paid in full? (Is super INCLUSIVE or additional, anyone?) I don’t think that any line driver is going to come close to that, particularly with the frequency of long haul flights to leisure destinations. When a lot of places are 2-4 flights a week it’s just not possible to get your annual total that high. When I ran the Barons figures on reasonable numbers I came up with closer to $210,000 which seems to be what most of the Jet* guys are saying as well. For the record I’m only arguing your figures, not whether I think it’s a reasonable salary.


Nuf.

Nuthinonyourdick

1000 hours level 3 plus retention.

Next question?

Maui